American and CR Smith crafted the age 60 rule

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The Federal Aviation Administration, along with the Air Line Pilots Association and the politicians whose pockets they line, state that the Age 60 Rule is a necessary safety standard. The truth is, if the issue was really safety there wouldn’t be an Age 60 Rule. Time and again over-60 pilots have been shown to be as safe as or safer than their younger colleagues. The Age 60 Rule has never really been about safety.

The Age 60 Rule’s conception followed the unethical professional coupling of the CEO of American Airlines, C. R. Smith, and the first Administrator of the FAA, retired Lieutenant General Elwood Quesada, resulting in an economic windfall for the airline and a sweet post-retirement job for the Administrator. Even then the FAA knew "it was not yet possible to establish a retirement age for civil airline pilots based on scientifically determined facts."

Sudden incapacitation due to cardiovascular disease was the stated reason, though not the real reason, that the actual age of 60 was chosen. Forty years ago, when ALPA still championed the rights of all pilots to remain employed, former ALPA president Clarence Sayen challenged FAA Administrator Elwood Quesada to justify his hasty decision to enact the Rule. Quesada responded with 41 highly questionable articles culled from the medical archives of the 1950’s, the majority of these having been published decades earlier. In addition to being astonishingly outdated, these articles described characteristics of the general population and not of airline pilots They are clearly not the "fundamental, indisputable principles of medical science" that current ALPA president, Duane Woerth, has stated. The original justification for the Rule implied, incorrectly, that the health characteristics of the general population of white males in the United States applied also to the population of air carrier pilots. Wrong then and wrong now! Airline pilots are still healthier and live longer than their counterparts in the general population the world over.

Moreover, concern over pilot incapacitation causing a crash is simply unjustified. IATA data and simulator data show that the risk of incapacitation due to cardiovascular disease is only 1 event in more than 20 million flight hours. The calculated probability of a crash occurring as a result of incapacitation is 1 event in every 8.3 billion flight hours, or, stated another way, 1 episode every 400 years.8 Furthermore, it is well established that in-flight incapacitation is a far lesser threat to safety than are mishaps due to inexperienced pilot error.

The truth is, 40 years of medical scrutiny show no justification for the Age 60 Rule based on the fear that an airline pilot will become incapacitated, regardless of age.

The Age 60 Rule: Age Discrimination in Commercial Aviation

age 60 chronology
 
The Federal Aviation Administration, along with the Air Line Pilots Association and the politicians whose pockets they line, state that the Age 60 Rule is a necessary safety standard. The truth is, if the issue was really safety there wouldn’t be an Age 60 Rule. Time and again over-60 pilots have been shown to be as safe as or safer than their younger colleagues. The Age 60 Rule has never really been about safety.

The Age 60 Rule’s conception followed the unethical professional coupling of the CEO of American Airlines, C. R. Smith, and the first Administrator of the FAA, retired Lieutenant General Elwood Quesada, resulting in an economic windfall for the airline and a sweet post-retirement job for the Administrator. Even then the FAA knew "it was not yet possible to establish a retirement age for civil airline pilots based on scientifically determined facts."

Sudden incapacitation due to cardiovascular disease was the stated reason, though not the real reason, that the actual age of 60 was chosen. Forty years ago, when ALPA still championed the rights of all pilots to remain employed, former ALPA president Clarence Sayen challenged FAA Administrator Elwood Quesada to justify his hasty decision to enact the Rule. Quesada responded with 41 highly questionable articles culled from the medical archives of the 1950’s, the majority of these having been published decades earlier. In addition to being astonishingly outdated, these articles described characteristics of the general population and not of airline pilots They are clearly not the "fundamental, indisputable principles of medical science" that current ALPA president, Duane Woerth, has stated. The original justification for the Rule implied, incorrectly, that the health characteristics of the general population of white males in the United States applied also to the population of air carrier pilots. Wrong then and wrong now! Airline pilots are still healthier and live longer than their counterparts in the general population the world over.

Moreover, concern over pilot incapacitation causing a crash is simply unjustified. IATA data and simulator data show that the risk of incapacitation due to cardiovascular disease is only 1 event in more than 20 million flight hours. The calculated probability of a crash occurring as a result of incapacitation is 1 event in every 8.3 billion flight hours, or, stated another way, 1 episode every 400 years.8 Furthermore, it is well established that in-flight incapacitation is a far lesser threat to safety than are mishaps due to inexperienced pilot error.

The truth is, 40 years of medical scrutiny show no justification for the Age 60 Rule based on the fear that an airline pilot will become incapacitated, regardless of age.

The Age 60 Rule: Age Discrimination in Commercial Aviation

age 60 chronology
This is going to have a quite an effect on future pilots and furloughed pilots.
Normally, an airline can easily calculate how many pilots retire each year. Simple, you hit 60, you retire. By extending the age to 65, there will not be as many openings for new hires and those laid off. Let alone, getting into the left seat will get even tougher.
 
Aw, cry me a f'n river already. Nobody says they have to work past 60.

Pilots are just about the only profession I can think of outside of the government that still has a mandatory retirement age (other professions include police officers, corrections officers, firemen, and air traffic controllers).

I'm glad to see this -- one of the dads in our neighborhood is retiring from the USAF next month, and got hired on by SWA. He was looking at "only" 15 more years of flying but this give him a few more years to enjoy the left seat.
 
Aw, cry me a f'n river already. Nobody says they have to work past 60.

Pilots are just about the only profession I can think of outside of the government that still has a mandatory retirement age (other professions include police officers, corrections officers, firemen, and air traffic controllers).

I'm glad to see this -- one of the dads in our neighborhood is retiring from the USAF next month, and got hired on by SWA. He was looking at "only" 15 more years of flying but this give him a few more years to enjoy the left seat.


All I am saying is that this is going to affect those pilots laid off or those future pilots. Thats all. You don't think more pilots working to 65 is going to affect the pilot pool?
 
I'm glad to see this -- one of the dads in our neighborhood is retiring from the USAF next month, and got hired on by SWA. He was looking at "only" 15 more years of flying but this give him a few more years to enjoy the left seat.


If your local "Dad" is one of the guys who ages well, it's not a safety problem. If he isn't, there isn't any mechanism in place now to "cull the herd" of the slow ones.

And yes, I am more informed than the "average bear". I never got used to the repeated attempts on my life by a 63 year old biz-jet Captain (complete with fresh medical and brand name simulator checks). I also got tired of covering for another 64 year old Captain who always faded out outside the hours of 10am-2pm. (Watch the "Seinfeld" episode where Jerry's Dad comes out of retirement to work in Elaine's office, they nailed it dead-on)
 
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All I am saying is that this is going to affect those pilots laid off or those future pilots. Thats all. You don't think more pilots working to 65 is going to affect the pilot pool?
It defiantly throw a wrench in planning, how many to replace and when. Although, most of the guys I have flown with on last months and last flights, say they will happily miss it. I think most will sign off as they do now.
 
If your local "Dad" is one of the guys who ages well, it's not a safety problem. If he isn't, there isn't any mechanism in place now to "cull the herd" of the slow ones.

Oh, please. If he can fly left seat on the AC-130 under fire, the right seat on a 737 out of MDW is going to be no problem.

(Watch the "Seinfeld" episode where Jerry's Dad comes out of retirement to work in Elaine's office, they nailed it dead-on)

There's a big difference between coming out of retirement and staying in the game.
 
Oh, please. If he can fly left seat on the AC-130 under fire, the right seat on a 737 out of MDW is going to be no problem.
There's a big difference between coming out of retirement and staying in the game.



He's in his game today, but down the road at 64+ is the unknown.








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Capt Al Haynes was 57 (35 years with UA) when he was at the controls If it had happened 3 years later, the UA people might not have been as fortunate.

I can't find the age of Capt. Larry Wheaton but as I recall, he was quite young and did not have alot of seat time.
 
It defiantly throw a wrench in planning, how many to replace and when. Although, most of the guys I have flown with on last months and last flights, say they will happily miss it. I think most will sign off as they do now.


Maybe....But all the pilots out there that have been screwed thanks to the bankruptcy process have a different view.
For years the pilots have been fighting for this change, but do you realize it is only recently getting anywhere? Why? Because pilots' pensions have been greatly affected.
 
Maybe....But all the pilots out there that have been screwed thanks to the bankruptcy process have a different view.
For years the pilots have been fighting for this change, but do you realize it is only recently getting anywhere? Why? Because pilots' pensions have been greatly affected.


By a minority of "squeaky wheels"


Even at USAir, which has a old pilot group that lost everything on retirement, the sentiment was to not raise the retirement age. The vote was 50 something % to keep it as is at age 60.

Most pilots at AA were shocked at the vote given the pension problems there. I would have expected it be be 85% for raising the age.


It is a safety issue.
 
Aw, cry me a f'n river already. Nobody says they have to work past 60.

Pilots are just about the only profession I can think of outside of the government that still has a mandatory retirement age (other professions include police officers, corrections officers, firemen, and air traffic controllers).

I'm glad to see this -- one of the dads in our neighborhood is retiring from the USAF next month, and got hired on by SWA. He was looking at "only" 15 more years of flying but this give him a few more years to enjoy the left seat.

In reality, he'll have a few more years to enjoy the right seat. The only folks that will have a few more years in the left seat are those already in it.
 
Bulls#it. Safety is just a convenient excuse, and always has been since anyone who questions a safety issue is immediatly demonized. It provides a great cover up for the real reason -- raising the retirement age would cause advancement to stagnate for 4 or 5 years.

Nobody complains about how unsafe it is to have a 70+ year old flight attendant who can't lift a plug door, or an 80 year old AMT signing off the logbook.
 
Bull####. Safety is just a convenient excuse, and always has been since anyone who questions a safety issue is immediatly demonized. It provides a great cover up for the real reason -- raising the retirement age would cause advancement to stagnate for 4 or 5 years.

Nobody complains about how unsafe it is to have a 70+ year old flight attendant who can't lift a plug door, or an 80 year old AMT signing off the logbook.


Why stop at 65? Why not 70? 75?

Why not let pilots fly as long as they have a valid drivers license?
 
My only question is why does one of the pilots have to be under 60 if the other pilot is over 60? If they are current on their medical, who cares? I could care less one way or another. It just seems a little ironic saying they are allright to fly past 60, only if someone younger than 60 is with them.
 

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