AA''s situation in St. Louis

[LambertMan]

Everyone speculates here about STL being dismantled, but after talking to my neighbor, whom works under the STL VP he said there isn''t even any writing on the wall. Even though it is not playing its originally intended role, it is holding its own supposedly with LF''s in the low to mid 70''s. All of this came as somewhat as a surprise, and even though this is mostly low yield, that still isnt bad. I know STL will never return to its glory days as a huge fortress hub that supports flights to Mexico, Caribbean, and 2 or 3 destinations around Europe, but still encouraging news.

 

[AAmech]

St. Louis will become a real jewel when the economy picks up! ORD will once again become a congested pain in the rear and having STL will be great!! If only AA can last that long!

 

[kirkpatrick]

I agree about STL''s value to AA as a hub, and that the future will show just that. As for the training of natives to fly LLC flights; as painful as that is for those of us losing our jobs, I think it shows a commitment to STL not only as a hub but as a base.

MK

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

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On 5/17/2003 12:36:51 PM kirkpatrick wrote:

I agree about STL''s value to AA as a hub, and that the future will show just that. As for the training of natives to fly LLC flights; as painful as that is for those of us losing our jobs, I think it shows a commitment to STL not only as a hub but as a base.

MK

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Kirkpatrick, TWAnr, or any of the regular LLCers out there.
I FULLY realize that my questions touch a "nerve", but I''m trying to clear something up.
George Price(APFA) said on a recent hotline that "the most junior F/A getting furloughed was 4/03.
He also said 3000+ "TOTAL" F/A''s were getting furloughed as of 7/03.

If all LLCers were given (correct me if I''m wrong) 4/10/01 occ sen, then I don''t understand the math.

Also, with the EXACT figures, (SO FAR), that are being put out, how many people, whould have to be recalled, before the #1 LLCer(4/10/01) could be recalled.
(I realize that a lot of naatives are being forced into STL.

Thanks for the clarity.(during such tough times)

Best to all,
NH/BB''s

 

[TWAnr]

NHBB,

I don''t have the exact figures handy, and I don''t care to go searching for them right now, but here is the gist of the situation.

The furloughs were reduced by approximately four hundred due to an increased summer flight schedule than was earlier anticipated.

An additional fifteen hundred, or so, jobs were saved by Overage Leaves (OVL) takers, partnership flying (basically job sharing) and part timers. If and when the company needs additional flight attendants to operate its schedule, these people have to be recalled, and have partnership flying and part time flying programs cancelled, before any furloughed employees can be called back to work.

So, a rough estimate is that about 3,200 flight attendants will have to retire, be recalled from both the above described furlough reduction measures and from actual furlough before the first TWA LLC person is called back to the line. The overwhelming consensus amongst the ranks is that will never happen within the five years recall window. The company has made it very clear, when it refused to extend recall rights, that there is an economic cost involved in extending the call back period. In plain English, it is cheaper to employ new people off the street at new hire wages than to call back people at the top of the pay scale.

As far as the seniority date, the most junior flight attendant on the property come July 2, will have an April 6, 2000 class date. That is still about a year senior to the official acquisition date.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

TWAnr;
Thanx for clearing that up for me. I realize It''s a VERY sore subject.

I will always "keep a good thought" for ALL LLC union people.

NH/BB''s

 

[tbags]

Sorry for my ignorance...but what does LLC stand for? I get who these folks are but am curious. I have worked for another carrier for 13 years and realize how many waaaay more senior F/A''s are losing their jobs!!
Thanks, Chris

 

[FWAAA]

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On 5/19/2003 12:00:19 AM tbags wrote:

Sorry for my ignorance...but what does LLC stand for? I get who these folks are but am curious. I have worked for another carrier for 13 years and realize how many waaaay more senior F/A''s are losing their jobs!!
Thanks, Chris

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"LLC" means "limited liability company," the form of business entity (sorta like a corporation, but sorta different) that AA chose for what used to be TWA. LLC is shorthand around here for TWA Airlines, LLC. Still a separate operating certificate, sort of a different airline from AA.

 

[tbags]

Thanks! Now I get it! LLC stands for Limited Liability Corporation. I have some F/A friends who have created them to help with taxes and to protect their own assets. These people own multiple rental properties and are protecting themselves against any future litigation. Says alot about protecting your butt doesn''t it?

Thanks for the info!
Chris

 

I bet when it is all said and done now that the scope has been lifted. St Louis will become a huge Eagle regional Jet base

 

[FWAAA]

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On 5/20/2003 2:16:27 AM tbags wrote:

Thanks! Now I get it! LLC stands for Limited Liability Corporation. I have some F/A friends who have created them to help with taxes and to protect their own assets. These people own multiple rental properties and are protecting themselves against any future litigation. Says alot about protecting your butt doesn''t it?

Thanks for the info!
Chris

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Close - but LLC stands for "limited liability COMPANY." Your use of the word "corporation" can create confusion.