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Ah, yes, it's arrogance for them to try and manage the business of working with other companies to retain business at the global level.

Maybe they should have just hired a consultant. Oh, wait, that pisses you guys off as well.

As usual, AA can't win for trying.
 
Ah, yes, it's arrogance for them to try and manage the business of working with other companies to retain business at the global level.

Maybe they should have just hired a consultant. Oh, wait, that pisses you guys off as well.

As usual, AA can't win for trying.


Oh yea the ole consultant deal. Just yesterday one of the so called consultants came over and asked us about what is the best way to handle a certain situation. Is that not what AA paid them all the big bucks to figure out without asking us? Consultants????? WHAT A BIG WASTE OF MONEY!! :down: :down:
 
There's something to be said about getting an outside opinion on radical or long term business decisions.

As a disclaimer, I've done IT consulting (solution engineering) since leaving AA, all of it for companies outside the US. The cookie cutter consultants who always recommend the same thing are indeed useless (i.e. BCG, Landor). So are the ones who hire a bunch of kids barely old enough to rent a car by themselves, and/or no real world experience to rely on (which is what it sounds like you were dealing with).

On almost every engagement I've been on in the past three years, there are competent people employed by the client who are capable of coming up with the same recommendations we eventually do. Sometimes it's just a matter of them not knowing how to build or sell their business case. Other times, the decision makers don't buy the arguments out of sheer ignorance/incompetence, or more often, out of politics, and need to hear it confirmed (or shot down) by an outsider.

If we can show what other clients experienced when following a similar path the client wants to go down, there's a much different level of credibility to given the story, expecially when they're making a strategic mistake.

There's also the fact I can get in front of a CIO or VP and say "that's a really stupid idea, sir" without any fear of retribution. Internal guys usually don't have that level of confidence, especially when you're dealing with companies in the Middle East or Asia.
 
Oh yea the ole consultant deal. Just yesterday one of the so called consultants came over and asked us about what is the best way to handle a certain situation. Is that not what AA paid them all the big bucks to figure out without asking us? Consultants????? WHAT A BIG WASTE OF MONEY!! :down: :down:

I had the same thing happen once re: how to handle a given situation.

My answer was simply "Fire your preppie ass".
 
Ah, yes, it's arrogance for them to try and manage the business of working with other companies to retain business at the global level.

Maybe they should have just hired a consultant. Oh, wait, that pisses you guys off as well.

As usual, AA can't win for trying.


VP STRATEGIC ALLIANCES??????????????????????????????????????????????

What do we do with this suit when the BA/AA deal gets rejected or approved???????????
 
There's something to be said about getting an outside opinion on radical or long term business decisions.

As a disclaimer, I've done IT consulting (solution engineering) since leaving AA, all of it for companies outside the US. The cookie cutter consultants who always recommend the same thing are indeed useless (i.e. BCG, Landor). So are the ones who hire a bunch of kids barely old enough to rent a car by themselves, and/or no real world experience to rely on (which is what it sounds like you were dealing with).

On almost every engagement I've been on in the past three years, there are competent people employed by the client who are capable of coming up with the same recommendations we eventually do. Sometimes it's just a matter of them not knowing how to build or sell their business case. Other times, the decision makers don't buy the arguments out of sheer ignorance/incompetence, or more often, out of politics, and need to hear it confirmed (or shot down) by an outsider.

If we can show what other clients experienced when following a similar path the client wants to go down, there's a much different level of credibility to given the story, expecially when they're making a strategic mistake.

There's also the fact I can get in front of a CIO or VP and say "that's a really stupid idea, sir" without any fear of retribution. Internal guys usually don't have that level of confidence, especially when you're dealing with companies in the Middle East or Asia.
<_< ------You mean like going to the time, trouble, and expense, of WIFIing MD80's that you'll be putting on the ground in the next year, or two ? :huh:
 
If it's approved, then there's an entirely new business unit to manage. If it's rejected, then I would guess that it will be the same playbook as last time...the VP of Alliances will move to another role within the company and the position won't be backfilled. That's was happened with the last VP of Alliances, David Cush, after he moved to Passenger Sales.
 
VP STRATEGIC ALLIANCES??????????????????????????????????????????????

What do we do with this suit when the BA/AA deal gets rejected or approved???????????
If the BA/AA deal gets rejected the suit is fired, with the appropriate severance check ofcourse. If the BA/AA deal is approved the suit gets a huge bonus and a promotion. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
If the BA/AA deal gets rejected the suit is fired, with the appropriate severance check ofcourse. If the BA/AA deal is approved the suit gets a huge bonus and a promotion. :lol: :lol: :lol:


AA has been trying for the AA/BA linkup for quite some time now...And all of a sudden they need a VP for this? Who handled it til now?
 
AA has been trying for the AA/BA linkup for quite some time now...And all of a sudden they need a VP for this? Who handled it til now?

What the.....do you guys read, watch, feel anything that's going on around you? Ok, another VP yeah okay, that's crap, but what now................?
 
AA has been trying for the AA/BA linkup for quite some time now...And all of a sudden they need a VP for this? Who handled it til now?
I guess one could argue that since AA/BA (+IB etc.) does not enjoy ATI, whoever handled it up to now wasn't doing a good job? I don't know whether AA management senses that the ATI application is approved hence the need for a VP - or - they sense the gov will not approve the AA/BA ATI and thus the need for somebody to work on this matter full time.
 
AA's had a VP or MD over alliances & codeshare since the early 90's when they started going into codeshares full force. The title has changed over time, but the role is pretty much the same. It was Arnold Grossman forever, and then David Cush before he took the sales job. Both were VP's. It was downgraded to the MD position when the second BA ATI application was withdrawn. The difference in salary between a MD and VP isn't worth getting upset about.
 
AA's had a VP or MD over alliances & codeshare since the early 90's when they started going into codeshares full force. The title has changed over time, but the role is pretty much the same. It was Arnold Grossman forever, and then David Cush before he took the sales job. Both were VP's. It was downgraded to the MD position when the second BA ATI application was withdrawn. The difference in salary between a MD and VP isn't worth getting upset about.


I guess no VP's will be getting furloughed with the announced capacity cuts and layoffs.....AA sure does protect the upper class, don't they...
 
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