6,000 Twu Members Lost Jobs?

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Unions hurt by airlines' budget woes
By Trebor Banstetter
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

It's a familiar situation in today's airline industry: Facing a substantial shortfall in cash, leaders are making tough decisions to cut budgets, services and even employees.

But in this case, it's not airline CEOs reeling from a financial hit. It's union leaders, who usually fight management efforts to cut budgets.

Heading into Labor Day, airline union leaders have hardly had time to contemplate the holiday's meaning. In recent months, they've cut back on services, reduced operating hours and even laid off staff. The union budgets have been squeezed because the airlines have cut jobs and reduced the salaries of dues-paying members.

The problem is particularly bad for the unions representing American Airlines pilots and flight attendants. Unlike other airline labor groups, which represent workers at many carriers, the Allied Pilots Association and the Association of Professional Flight Attendants represent only American Airlines employees.

"Given the circumstances, our members are expecting us to tighten our belt," said John Ward, president of the flight attendants union. "And that's what we're doing."

Traditionally, airline unions have been among the strongest groups in organized labor. They are well-funded, disciplined and known for tough negotiating tactics that have provided members with good pay and benefits.

But layoffs and pay cuts have slashed unions' revenue from member dues. At the same time, unions have spent heavily on lawyers, financial consultants and analysts as they negotiate concessions with management.

Consider:

. The Allied Pilots Association will collect about $11 million in dues for its fiscal 2004 budget, which began July 1. Last year, it collected $24 million.

. The Association of Professional Flight Attendants will take in $5 million less in dues this year than last after furloughs, leave and attrition, according to a report by its treasurer, Juan Johnson. The report didn't specify a percentage decline.

. Chapters of the Transport Workers Union, which represents American's mechanics and ground workers, have cut budgets as the union lost nearly 6,000 dues-paying members in furloughs. Also, some members are trying to oust the labor group and install another union, the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association.

And even as revenue falls, demand for union services increases. Unions help furloughed employees, and they have had to work hard to implement the contracts approved in May.

Union leaders are also spending more time on employee grievances as airlines make work rules stricter and try to boost productivity.

"The companies are in penny-pinching mode," said James Magee of the Air Line Pilots Association, which represents pilots at American Eagle, the regional affiliate of American Airlines. "We're seeing a big jump in grievances related to days off, sick days and things along those lines."

The troubles aren't confined to the unions at American Airlines; labor groups at airlines nationwide report cash shortages because of industry cutbacks.

"We've seen a substantial drop" in revenue this year, said Don Skiados, a spokesman for the national office of the Air Line Pilots Association, which represents 66,000 pilots at 42 airlines, including bankrupt carriers United Airlines and US Airways. The union's $100 million budget is down about 15 percent from last year, he said.

Some airline labor experts say the financial squeeze, coupled with union members' approval of steep concessions, could weaken airline unions for years to come.

"This is a tough time for the airline unions, which traditionally are very strong," said Richard Gritta, who studies airline economics as a professor at the University of Portland in Oregon. "I think they're resigned to the fact that they're never going to get back to where they were a few years ago."

Services slashed

The Allied Pilots Association's troubles began before the economic downturn. In 1999, a judge ordered the union to pay $45.5 million in damages to American after an 11-day sickout. The union paid $20 million before American forgave the rest as part of the May concessions.

The payout depleted the union's reserve fund. Today, the union has $9.8 million in reserves; the union's bylaws require at least $13.5 million. The group's board waived the requirement three years ago.

After the concessions were approved, the union also cut dues from 1.5 percent of member wages to 1 percent. Dues are traditionally reduced after new contracts are approved, even when unions win pay raises.

Since then, the union office has laid off 10 employees and reduced travel and administrative expenses for board and committee meetings by nearly $8 million. The union has been relying more heavily on volunteers to run services that had been contracted out or performed by paid staff members.

The union is also considering mortgaging its headquarters. Union leaders estimate that they could raise $4.2 million in cash, which they would add to the reserve fund.

"The past few years have put a tremendous strain on finances," John Darrah, the union's president, told members in a June e-mail.

The flight attendants union is also feeling the strain, officials said.

"We must make very serious budget adjustments so that we can continue to provide our membership with the services they have come to expect," Johnson said in a report to members.

The union hasn't been affected by pay cuts because monthly dues are a flat amount, $41 per member, instead of a percentage of salary.

But dues revenue has still dropped because thousands of flight attendants have been furloughed or have taken voluntary leave, Ward said.

With a $5 million cut in annual revenue, the Association of Professional Flight Attendants has reduced some salaries for its national officers, shortened office hours at its headquarters and removed some features from its Internet site.

Ward said that the union hasn't reduced member services but that if the budget is cut again or if the union's board reduces dues, some resources may have to be eliminated.

"We're like any business," he said. "You can only spend what comes in."

The union is struggling to remain prepared for further turmoil in the industry, Johnson said. "In most cases, these are things the [union] has little or no control over but must be ready to cope with."

Battle to represent

The Transport Workers Union hasn't been affected quite as much as American's two other main labor groups. That's because the union has members at other airlines, including profitable low-fare carriers like Southwest Airlines.

Still, budgets are being reduced, particularly at local chapters serving carriers that have enacted concessions, said Jim Little, international vice president.

"We're certainly being impacted in terms of dues," he said.

Little said that he could not provide specific information on the budget but that the union has lost 6,000 dues-paying members because of cutbacks at American.

TWU officials also have a battle on another front, an attempt by some members to throw out the union and bring in a new labor group.

Organizers say 7,000 TWU members have signed cards supporting the effort to replace the union with the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, which represents mechanics at United Airlines, Southwest Airlines and Northwest Airlines, among others.

Organizers say that when they have gotten 10,000 cards, representing about 60 percent of eligible members, they will ask the National Mediation Board for an election.

Union members critical of the TWU say that the leadership gave up too much in salaries and benefits during concession talks and that members should have been allowed to vote on the issue a second time after it was revealed that American's top executives were eligible for lucrative bonuses and pension perks.

"Your livelihood and future are too important to allow a small un-elected, decision- making group of national TWU officers to negotiate your contract without any accountability or democracy," O.V. Delle- Femine, AMFA's national director, said in a recent letter to American employees.

Little said many ground workers still don't understand that union officials had no choice but to accept concessions.

"The only option was bankruptcy," he said. "And there's no question that we would have done a lot worse in bankruptcy than we have under the new contracts."

The battle, however, means that "I'm spending a lot of my time now rehashing everything that went on in the spring," Little said.

Gritta, the economics professor, said the unions will deal with the fallout from recent events for years.

"The industry has changed forever, and the unions are being forced to change along with them," he said. "It's very frustrating for them, but that's the way things are going to be a for a long time."

Pilots cut back

The Allied Pilots Association, which represents American Airlines pilots, has cut its budget to cope with a $13 million drop in revenue this year. Some of the cuts:

Department Cut Pct. cut
Staffing $2.8 million 34 percent
Board meetings $700,000 39 percent
Base costs $200,000 22 percent
Committee costs $6.9 million 73 percent

SOURCE: Allied Pilots Association
 
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I wonder if the 6000 TWU jobs lost are taking into account the STL job losses referenced in this "WARN" letter to Jim Little?

I am thinking maybe we took concessions to save jobs and then lost the jobs anyway? :shock:

This "Turn Around - And Bend Over Plan" is extensive and painful.

Anyone have some extra "UNION MADE is the USA" Vaseline?

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:shock: GEE THANKS TWU! 6000 plus jobs lost on top of Industry Leading Concessions! :shock:
 
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I wonder where jake, CIO, Hammack, and the others are on this one?
 
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INTERESTING!

When the hard, factual, TRUTH is posted.

The TWU advocates run for cover.
 
Over 1000 union jobs to be lost PERMANENTLY. Boy, when it comes to timing, AA sure can't be beat.

So,

"Happy thanksgiving-AA

"Have a Wonderful Merry Christmas-Jim Little

"May you have a VERY happy New Year-Sonny Hall

and, oh before I forget,( all 3 of you),

"GO F**K YOURSELVES" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NH/BB's
AA/TWU(unfortunately)
 
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Hey Jim Little,

HOW MANY JOBS DID YOU SAVE?

WHAT WAS THE COST PER HEAD?
 
Dave(Mo),
Your spinning of the numbers never ceases to amaze, you are certainly a FREAK of nature when it comes to the ability to distort the truth! No question, the “6000 TWU members†figure is out there. However, you are trying to say (or make the comparison) that AMFA has done a better job protecting its members from lay-offs. Knowing that the only group at NWA that AMFA has any control over is M&R, let’s compare those numbers. When AMFA gained representation rights at NWA, there were more than 9000 M&R, presently at NWA the number is close to 4500 total. Can you say 45% reduction? Keep in mind Dave that this happened with company being healthier financially than any other major. AA on the other hand, not being healthy financially and according the two district court judges, would’ve filed bankruptcy, due to the decisions made by the Union leadership and it’s members, laid –off about 15% of it’s M&R work force. Let’s see, in a nutshell…AMFA with a healthy company loses 45%, TWU with a near bankrupt company loses 15%. Oh one more thing while I’m wasting my time with you, many of the mechanic jobs lost by AMFA are now being performed by outside contractors, TWU jobs lost, are not. How many jobs did Jim save? I see it as "the membership" saved them, (majority wins!) at least you don't have to have 1990 seniority to hold a job here, like at Minneapolis. :p
 
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jake,

Just be patient, I will capture the video from the informational meeting that will answer the exact "force majeure/retirements/voluntary lay-off" numbers and what AMFA is doing about those which need to be addressed.

One thing I do remember, the AMFA/NWA agreement provided 26 weeks (6 Months) of severance pay. Many of those that are longer employed took the 6 months pay then retired. I think they would tell you that AMFA is far superior to the IAM or the TWU, and they were happey to have the 6 months paid vacation prior to retirement.

Once I get the video captured to digital format, I will upload the Q&A's for all to see.

Patience is our greatest virtue. Stand-by for the results.
 
Dave(Mo),
I am well aware of what the NWA/AMFA agreement provides for its laid-off employees. That is certainly a topic for another debate, however that wasn’t the current topic. The issue is, who has done a better job regarding job protection for its members? Frankly the numbers that you don’t want to debate speak for themselves. Facts are facts, on AMFA’s watch at NWA 45% of the mechanic and related employees are currently no longer on the payroll. Mind you, all these lay-offs have happened when the company was not in any type of financial distress. Of course, now NWA is asking for 173 million dollars in concessions from the AMFA represented employees. So, it appears as if NWA is playing AMFA for the fools we all know they are. You claim AMFA has better job protection, why then have 45% been laid –off on their watch? Somehow, I think job protection relates to “keeping your jobâ€. Additionally, it wasn’t that the company didn’t need this work done, they just didn’t want to do it in house, so they just took it away from AMFA represented mechanics, laid them off and gave the work to third party vendors and AMFA was powerless to stop it. I really couldn’t care less about what Delle had to say at the “meetingâ€. He, like you, will lie cheat and steal to accomplish his self serving goals. You want hard truthful numbers? Look at the seniority list, I’m certain you are resourceful enough to obtain one, and I'm very sure that the majority of the 4500 would love to have their jobs back! :down:
 
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Dave(Mo),
I am well aware of what the NWA/AMFA agreement provides for its laid-off employees. That is certainly a topic for another debate, however that wasn’t the current topic. The issue is, who has done a better job regarding job protection for its members? Frankly the numbers that you don’t want to debate speak for themselves. Facts are facts, on AMFA’s watch at NWA 45% of the mechanic and related employees are currently no longer on the payroll. Mind you, all these lay-offs have happened when the company was not in any type of financial distress. Of course, now NWA is asking for 173 million dollars in concessions from the AMFA represented employees. So, it appears as if NWA is playing AMFA for the fools we all know they are. You claim AMFA has better job protection, why then have 45% been laid –off on their watch? Somehow, I think job protection relates to “keeping your jobâ€. Additionally, it wasn’t that the company didn’t need this work done, they just didn’t want to do it in house, so they just took it away from AMFA represented mechanics, laid them off and gave the work to third party vendors and AMFA was powerless to stop it. I really couldn’t care less about what Delle had to say at the “meetingâ€. He, like you, will lie cheat and steal to accomplish his self serving goals. You want hard truthful numbers? Look at the seniority list, I’m certain you are resourceful enough to obtain one, and I'm very sure that the majority of the 4500 would love to have their jobs back! :down:
To aid workers in securing improved wages, hours and working conditions with due regard for the autonomy, integrity and jurisdiction of affiliated unions.


The first principle of the AFL-CIO says nothing about decreasing the wages and benefits of it's members.
 
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Dave(Mo),
I am well aware of what the NWA/AMFA agreement provides for its laid-off employees. That is certainly a topic for another debate, however that wasn’t the current topic. The issue is, who has done a better job regarding job protection for its members? Frankly the numbers that you don’t want to debate speak for themselves. Facts are facts, on AMFA’s watch at NWA 45% of the mechanic and related employees are currently no longer on the payroll. Mind you, all these lay-offs have happened when the company was not in any type of financial distress. Of course, now NWA is asking for 173 million dollars in concessions from the AMFA represented employees. So, it appears as if NWA is playing AMFA for the fools we all know they are. You claim AMFA has better job protection, why then have 45% been laid –off on their watch? Somehow, I think job protection relates to “keeping your jobâ€. Additionally, it wasn’t that the company didn’t need this work done, they just didn’t want to do it in house, so they just took it away from AMFA represented mechanics, laid them off and gave the work to third party vendors and AMFA was powerless to stop it. I really couldn’t care less about what Delle had to say at the “meetingâ€. He, like you, will lie cheat and steal to accomplish his self serving goals. You want hard truthful numbers? Look at the seniority list, I’m certain you are resourceful enough to obtain one, and I'm very sure that the majority of the 4500 would love to have their jobs back! :down:
Let's take Delle's advice.

Have a little "patience" and wait for the Richard Kasher and Helen Witt rulings on the force majeure 1 and 2 grievances.

Then we will discuss which union has "superior" job protection.

Why would someone debate numbers that don't have a final decision attached to them?

TWU, on the other hand appears to have negotiated final numbers - September 24th, 1998 I believe.

Give us some numbers joke, I mean jake,

How many Title 1 TWU members were on AA property the day before 9/11 and how many will there be at the end of November this year? Give us the accurate TWU job protection numbers jake. Remember, just like you use at NWA, you must include retirements, volunteer lay-offs. terminations, TWA-LLC (4/10/01), and deaths.

Drum Roll Please....
 
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jake,

Just be patient, I will capture the video from the informational meeting that will answer the exact "force majeure/retirements/voluntary lay-off" numbers and what AMFA is doing about those which need to be addressed.

One thing I do remember, the AMFA/NWA agreement provided 26 weeks (6 Months) of severance pay. Many of those that are longer employed took the 6 months pay then retired. I think they would tell you that AMFA is far superior to the IAM or the TWU, and they were happey to have the 6 months paid vacation prior to retirement.

Once I get the video captured to digital format, I will upload the Q&A's for all to see.

Patience is our greatest virtue. Stand-by for the results.
You mean NWA lays off in inverse seniority, or can people just volunteer to be laid off?

How many of those laid off were really ready to retire?
 
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RV4 said:
jake,

Just be patient, I will capture the video from the informational meeting that will answer the exact "force majeure/retirements/voluntary lay-off" numbers and what AMFA is doing about those which need to be addressed.

One thing I do remember, the AMFA/NWA agreement provided 26 weeks (6 Months) of severance pay. Many of those that are longer employed took the 6 months pay then retired. I think they would tell you that AMFA is far superior to the IAM or the TWU, and they were happey to have the 6 months paid vacation prior to retirement.

Once I get the video captured to digital format, I will upload the Q&A's for all to see.

Patience is our greatest virtue. Stand-by for the results.
You mean NWA lays off in inverse seniority, or can people just volunteer to be laid off?

How many of those laid off were really ready to retire?

When NWA closed ATL Maintenance MANY voluntarily took the 26 weeks severance package and then retired. They chose NOT to relocate and accept their job security provision in another city (MSP).

Just as the TWA-LLC workers will likely NOT relocate from STL or MCI later this year, but I doubt they will be getting 26 weeks severance or a decent retirement check from TWU negotiations.
 
Dave(Mo),
Let’s take a look at the referenced Article 22 (Severance Pay) from the NWA agreement, shall we? Your boys claim that the lay-offs were caused and claimed by the company under the “force majeure†clause (para A4). That would mean these unfortunate laid-off mechanics would NOT get severance pay, unless the company agreed out of the kindness of their heart to pay it. Also, didn’t you pukes claim that the lay-offs were caused by NWA fleet reductions? Um, well now that would fall under paragraph A4 also, “grounding of a substantial number of the Company aircraftâ€. So was it bad language about farm outs or was it “force majeure†that helped the company lay-off our brothers? If it was the farm out language, then it’s not likely that the junior guys had enough seniority to get 26 weeks severance and it was only after that which the company claimed “force majeure†and would’ve affected the more senior people. How many people did you say got 26 weeks severance? Go ahead now and contemplate which truth fits this particular argument because the previous ones don’t hold water. :shock: :p
 
:lol: :lol:

JAKE,

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Can't wait to see you back on the floor buddy. Maybe you can get active and help us "drain some money from the airlines." I know that is not the twu way.

BLAH BLAH BLAH



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