5 U.S. Carriers File for Flights to Haneda
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strangiatotheme
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For US, HND would likely work best from PHL as it relies almost exclusively on O&D. However, with PHX-Tokyo as the only viable route given our current fleet, NRT makes the most sense as it offers connections throughout Asia to make up for the rather weak local market between those two cities.
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With the NRT route now in jeopardy one can only pray US applies for this route... if its not already to late.
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Not to be a Nattering Nabob of Negativity here but a thought occured to me. US did not apply and there is a reason or two for that.
As previously mentioned the route works best as a non-stop from PHL.
In order to fly non-stop US would need to aquire larger aircraft.
So the question I have is has US's financial position deterioated enough that they could finance the aircraft? I say this because they barely got the last batch of wide bodies financed. I think US has mortgaged everything except the beer cooler in Doug's office.
Then of course they withdrew the China route application so they are likely not on the favorites list with DOT.
Maybe the thinking is to leverage the Star Allance partners? Or maybe they aren't thinking at all?
As previously mentioned the route works best as a non-stop from PHL.
In order to fly non-stop US would need to aquire larger aircraft.
So the question I have is has US's financial position deterioated enough that they could finance the aircraft? I say this because they barely got the last batch of wide bodies financed. I think US has mortgaged everything except the beer cooler in Doug's office.
Then of course they withdrew the China route application so they are likely not on the favorites list with DOT.
Maybe the thinking is to leverage the Star Allance partners? Or maybe they aren't thinking at all?
nycbusdriver
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Not to be a Nattering Nabob of Negativity here but a thought occured to me. US did not apply and there is a reason or two for that.
As previously mentioned the route works best as a non-stop from PHL.
In order to fly non-stop US would need to aquire larger aircraft.
So the question I have is has US's financial position deterioated enough that they could finance the aircraft? I say this because they barely got the last batch of wide bodies financed. I think US has mortgaged everything except the beer cooler in Doug's office.
Then of course they withdrew the China route application so they are likely not on the favorites list with DOT.
Maybe the thinking is to leverage the Star Allance partners? Or maybe they aren't thinking at all?
Bingo!
EVA Air, US Airways expand co-share services
"Future plans are for the two airlines to extend their code-sharing services to EVA’s extensive network throughout Southeast Asia and Japan"
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"Future plans are for the two airlines to extend their code-sharing services to EVA’s extensive network throughout Southeast Asia and Japan"
http://www.traveldailynews.com/pages/show_...-share-services
Everyone blasted them for applying to Beijing, and now everyone is blasting them for not applying for Haneda....sigh....
Maybe, just maybe, they have a strategy, which is expanding where they can be profitable while the economy is still down, and looking as Asian expansion when the can risk running at a loss for several years, while they build brand indentity on a new continent. They are already trying to push into South America....why stretch themselves thin, while all airlines are losing money. Better to do something right, than not at all. Establish South America (Rio, Sao Paulo, Buenos, Bogota, Lima) before going to Asia.
Maybe, just maybe, they have a strategy, which is expanding where they can be profitable while the economy is still down, and looking as Asian expansion when the can risk running at a loss for several years, while they build brand indentity on a new continent. They are already trying to push into South America....why stretch themselves thin, while all airlines are losing money. Better to do something right, than not at all. Establish South America (Rio, Sao Paulo, Buenos, Bogota, Lima) before going to Asia.
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I think most of the "blasting" was because of applying for a route then not getting the airplanes to serve the route. It wasn't about the route itself.
FWIW, Asia is recovering faster than the other regions of the world.
Jim
You hit the nail on the head. This would be a huge capital expenditure right now and they seem to be singularly focused on improving liquidity and cash flow right now. As far as getting financing goes, probably not until later in 2010 or early in 2011, at least not until a clearer picture on the economy appears and the numbers show proof of their retrenching strategy working. We ain't going nowhere new for a while.
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Take the 757 there, the one that goes PHL-ANC and make it continue onto Tokyo!
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Take the 757 there, the one that goes PHL-ANC and make it continue onto Tokyo!
Jesus Joe, Don't give the kids any encouragement.
Next we'll US is buying a surplus military tanker and retrofitting all of planes so they can be refueled mid air. Wonder how many times you'd have to refuel a Dash-8 PHX-HKG?
This route will not be a profitable route for USAirways from our hubs . Remember that AA,CO,DL,and UA all have strong hubs to operate these flights from . Our hubs in CLT,PHL,and PHX do not have as much buisiness traffic as per say ATL,LAX,ORD,SFO,or EWR. Our hub cities aren't as big as these other mega hubs Therefore markets that can be profitable from larger cities unfortunately can't from ours. That's why it would be good for USAirways to consolidate with someone who has hubs in these stronger markets . Most of our intl destinations from our hubs are seasonal while for the other guys they are year round .
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No need to worry about brand identity in a new country as US doesn't even have it in the United States. Even in this economy every other airline makes their business work while US retreats and hides. Sure they call it "focusing on their core". Uh yeah anyway. It's an amature airline run on a shoe string. I mean seriously imagine Mayburry Air to Haneda. PLEASE! ! ! ! 
Just look at TLV. Employees treat it as a freakin' shuttle launch.
Just look at TLV. Employees treat it as a freakin' shuttle launch. That's just it... it would be good for US Airways. It wouldn't necessarily be good for any other carrier to consolidate with US, knowing that US has incredibly weak revenue generating hubs.
Let's just all make sure we have a strong plan "B"....
