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nitronutt, on 23 May 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:
I have not seen any results from any card drive in Tulsa. A lot of hard work but no results. I was just shocked that after a failed AMP drive now AMFA. WHY ? Im confused !!
bingo!
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In Topic: THIS IS BULL-SHITE ! Where are the local-by-local break downs ?
Today, 05:10 PM
rifbound, on 23 May 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:
as far as m&e goes....something along the lines of only 89% voted. Ramp was like 60% voted! i have a pic of all the vote counts by locals but i couldn't get it to link right. pic to the left is one of the numbers.
510(atl,dca,iad,bwi) yes-213 no-440
514(tul) yes-4546 no-2050
562(ny) yes-64 no-697
563(ord) yes-123 no-499
564(lax) yes-188 no-562
565(dfw & class 2's under 565) yes-369 no-618
567(afw) yes-781 no-913
568(mia) yes-821 no-621
510(atl,dca,iad,bwi) yes-213 no-440
514(tul) yes-4546 no-2050
562(ny) yes-64 no-697
563(ord) yes-123 no-499
564(lax) yes-188 no-562
565(dfw & class 2's under 565) yes-369 no-618
567(afw) yes-781 no-913
568(mia) yes-821 no-621
What? Those numbers = 7105 YES and 6400 No
I thought the vote was a NO VOTE?
Somebody spreads lies.
In Topic: TERM SHEET DURATION........
Today, 11:43 AM
FWAAA, on 23 May 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:
The bankruptcy judge does not impose permanent terms under 1113c. As a general rule, debtors (including AA) are free to reject any executory contract, but labor contracts can be rejected by the debtor only if the debtor satisfies 1113c. If the judge determines that the debtor has satisfied 1113c, then AA may reject the labor agreements. If that happens, the judge imposes nothing. The debtor - AA - is free to impose its terms, and case law interprets that to mean the term sheets.
About the bolded portion: One of the requirements of 1113c is that the parties attempted to negotiate changes to the labor agreements. If AA had refused to do so, then it could not possibly satisfy the provisions of 1113c.
IMO, you have sold your members a bill of goods. You have repeatedly posted that rejecting TAs and then the LBO would result in better offers down the line. So far, that hasn't happened. You have repeatedly posted that abrogation sends the parties to immediate section 6 negotiations and that the members will not have to live with the term sheets for six years. On that one, I think you'll again be proven incorrect (although it's likely that AA will continue to negotiate so it won't have to impose the term sheets).
For nearly six months now, it's been posted that bankruptcy means concessions - either approved by the membership or imposed by the company following abrogation under 1113c.
For those of you who have stuck around for the last nine years hoping that things would get better - it's obvious that they are not going to get better. That became crystal clear for most on November 29, 2011. AA's employees have now had nearly six months to prepare resumes and seek better opportunities. For those still on the payroll - what the hell are you waiting for?
About the bolded portion: One of the requirements of 1113c is that the parties attempted to negotiate changes to the labor agreements. If AA had refused to do so, then it could not possibly satisfy the provisions of 1113c.
IMO, you have sold your members a bill of goods. You have repeatedly posted that rejecting TAs and then the LBO would result in better offers down the line. So far, that hasn't happened. You have repeatedly posted that abrogation sends the parties to immediate section 6 negotiations and that the members will not have to live with the term sheets for six years. On that one, I think you'll again be proven incorrect (although it's likely that AA will continue to negotiate so it won't have to impose the term sheets).
For nearly six months now, it's been posted that bankruptcy means concessions - either approved by the membership or imposed by the company following abrogation under 1113c.
For those of you who have stuck around for the last nine years hoping that things would get better - it's obvious that they are not going to get better. That became crystal clear for most on November 29, 2011. AA's employees have now had nearly six months to prepare resumes and seek better opportunities. For those still on the payroll - what the hell are you waiting for?
"Better deal" can be defined many ways depending on who you are.
A contract that has higher pay and less people would be better to some.
A contract with less pay and more people is better to others.
My point is that there is a monetary cost reduction requested, it is not in stone how we get there.
I never saw any assurances or promises that a better deal is down the road with a no vote, only that negotiations would continue with a no vote, and not so with a yes vote.
In Topic: AMR Bankruptcy Update from President James C. Little
Today, 09:27 AM
787nightmare, on 22 May 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:
Informer....you need a Paypal link front & center on a website brotha...:-)
Thanks I will have that up within a few days.
In Topic: TERM SHEET DURATION........
Today, 09:19 AM
Hopeful, on 23 May 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:
Ok, I will take your word based on your experience with this.
Does everyone NOW realize that we might be stuck with the term sheets for six years anyway?
Does everyone NOW realize that we might be stuck with the term sheets for six years anyway?
Are you honestly just now coming to that conclusion one week after voting has ended. Really? Where have you been hiding?
That possibility was explained to you over and over by the TWU, the membership still voted NO, and now you pretend as if some new revelation has arrived.
Are you serious or is this satire? Maybe they will offer you a chance to change your vote and send it into the Judge.
If someone does not get the facts after so much information was provided, then they must look within themselves for fault.
