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ClueByFour

ClueByFour

Member Since 20 Aug 2002
Offline Last Active May 12 2012 08:33 PM
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In Topic: US Pilots Labor Discussion

03 May 2012 - 11:16 AM

View PostZone5, on 03 May 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Furthermore, the West has already written the book on how the minority can throw legal roadblocks in front of a JCBA.  Lets see, file a DFR, get an injunction maintaining the status quo and were all off to the races, again, sloooowly.  Don't think there would be enough East pilots to fund their own "Army"?  Think again, like I said you guys have already written the book and I'm sure there are plenty of "smarty pants " lawyers out there who would love to get paid to write a few more chapters!.  

The East pilots (assuming Silver rules in favor of the NIC) have exactly two legal maneuvers left.  Appeal Silver to the 9th.  Appeal the 9th to SCOTUS.  That's it.

Dougweiser will most assuredly structure the deal to avoid the East CoC language.  The NMB will find a single system.  The APA will take over (either by vote or by decree).  The only thing left is seniority, which will be arbitration between the APA list and the Nic list.

If, for whatever reasons Silver does not force the NIC, that will be re-litigated just as soon as USAPA tries to pass a non-NIC list across to the arbitrator.  Or APA tries to use a non-NIC list.  In which case, a large chunk of the East pilots will likely enjoy LOA 93 until retirement while the APA guys are raking in the dough.

Really what this comes down to is whether the East pilots are willing to finally accept their previous arbitration award, or work under LOA 93 until the DFR is finally found ripe while the other half of the new company enjoys a massive pay differential.  I'd say there's no way anyone can be that stupid, but as mentioned before--I won't fly on East metal anymore, because I don't think having someone at the helm who would strategically lose a game of checkers to a 5 year old or cut off their own nose to spite their face is wise.

In Topic: US Pilots Labor Discussion

01 May 2012 - 03:16 PM

View PostPhoenix, on 26 April 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

So what does Clue's observation about M-B timing have to do with the price of tea in China. :lol:

It means you are apparently challenged enough to not be able to follow along. Nothing more.

In Topic: Network implications of an AA and US merger

01 May 2012 - 03:11 PM

View PostUSFlyer, on 30 April 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

(All this being said, I still have an issue with the Government managing slots like this. If an airline, through mergers and acquisitions, is able to build up a sizable operation, it should be allowed to keep the operation. WN can buy B6 if it wants more slots, for example. There's no need for the Government to choose the winners and losers.)

There is no fair way to get from where we are today at, say, DCA to having the government out of the way, save setting a slot ceiling and proceeding to reclaim and auction off every single slot. That would not work out well for US.

I don't favor having the government pick winners for 50 years (like they have at DCA) and then toss open the doors. It's not a free market at that point where the incumbents (who got their controlled slots from the government) have everything.

In Topic: US Pilots Labor Discussion

26 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

View PostPhoenix, on 26 April 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

Why? If that were the case there would be no internal union dispute at LCC.

McCaskill-Bond did not pass until after the US/AWA merger.

It still would not have helped. What USAPA tried to do would not stand muster under McCaskill-Bond, because it would have violated all the stuff about "arbitration" and “fair and equitable."

In Topic: US Pilots Labor Discussion

26 April 2012 - 03:31 PM

View PostPiedmont1984, on 26 April 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

Just because APA is twice our size doesn't mean they can or will roll over us. Like em or hate em - AOL deserves credit and should serve as a lesson.

AOL was handed a slam dunk by USAPA. Your assumption is that the APA guys are just as dumb. Probably not the best line of thinking.