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[damajagua]

FA Mikey, on 22 February 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

They have contracts with the company. Certain landing rights are tied to their employment.
No we are not kidding you and the strike was for maintaining work rules and for additional compensation.

While certain landing rights might had been tied to their employment these might not longer
be the case. The United States has open skies with most of these countries in Latin America
APFA should look  into this matter and fight to protect US jobs. I like the system at United
why we don't have something like them when it comes to foreign nationals is beyond me.

[FWAAA]

No open skies with Argentina or Peru (yet).    Even if the destinations were open skies - reducing the number of foreign nationals and replacing them with APFA members might invite a lawsuit and big judgement - like TWA faced when it canceled TLV and was sued by the TLV-based employees.    APFA has an agreement with AA limiting the number of foreign national FAs  and APFA knows exactly how many of them there are and where they fly - IMO, worrying about the foreign national FAs doesn't advance the primary concerns of the APFA membership right now:   preserving pay and quality of life.

[xUT]

eolesen, on 22 February 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:

Easy to pig-pile when you don't like the questioner, but it's still a valid question, folks...  Today, the foreign based FA's are limited to a handful of legacy EA routes.  

Is it really inconceivable to think that a LIM based FA could be scheduled to work a LIM-MIA-CUR routing, versus just being tied to LIM-MIA-LIM?  Today it is contractual, but I do seem to recall that during the strike, there were a few foreign nationals who got sent out to work international turns.

Yes that has some truth but IMHO, Josh, only posted as flame bait.
Nothing more, nothing less.

BTW, how is that H1B visa fiasco working out for Merikan workers in IT?
We still have laid off H1B workers here in Commiefornia driving cabs.
DOH!
xUT

[strikeforce]

eolesen, on 22 February 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

First of all, if EA's unions had such large nads as Strikeforce has indicated, how do you explain the fact that EA's unions also allowed foreign nationals?

If any of the original FA's from the EA purchase are still around, you also might want to keep in mind that they have 23 years just with AA.

They're not contractors.  They work for AA just like you do.  Believing that only a US national is qualified to do your job just makes you look like a xenophobe...

They work for AA, but are not required to join the union?? Isn't the APFA the sole bargaining unit for F/A's at AA??? These FN are f/a's, right? Then, they should have been required to join the union. Period! Just like the amt's in London should have been required to join the TWU!

I never said they were contractors. But, what prevents AA from firing 23K F/A's and hiring 23K foriegn nationals???

[IORFA]

strikeforce, on 22 February 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

They work for AA, but are not required to join the union?? Isn't the APFA the sole bargaining unit for F/A's at AA??? These FN are f/a's, right? Then, they should have been required to join the union. Period! Just like the amt's in London should have been required to join the TWU!

I never said they were contractors. But, what prevents AA from firing 23K F/A's and hiring 23K foriegn nationals???

The APFA CBA.  Where have you been?  Do you not read all the posts? It was already posted what the % is.  Just tto remind you, it is 1.5% of the total F/A's not counting the original 331.  Plus they are only allowed to work to certain cities and countries.

[FA Mikey]

Anywhere from Central and South America to Miami, excluding CCS, GIG, GUA and SJO. All other gateways are exclusive to APFA F/A's

[FWAAA]

strikeforce, on 22 February 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Just like the amt's in London should have been required to join the TWU!

Why do you wish such ill will on fellow employees?   What did they ever do to you?    Bob Owens has posted that they make something like $10k more per year than TWU-represented AMTs;  you'd probably be better off if you had to join their union.

[kirkpatrick]

WorldTraveler, on 22 February 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

I'd still like to know how many foreign based FAs AA has in Latin America and what countries they serve.

The numbers are easily found on the Flight Service website under Bidding|Bid Awards Table.  Here are figures for March:

BOG - 96
EZE - 141
LIM - 140
SCL - 130

Total - 507

A LOA in the contract specifically spells out exactly what they can and cannot fly, but I won't jam up the board by posting the whole thing here.

MK