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[ograc]

PHX Devil, on 21 February 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

That is easy to answer, because the ramp director doesn't want too because they dont want to pay the OT. This is something we want and have filed grievance after grievance only to be denied in step 3. Last I heard was that it was going to be heard in an arbitration but was cancelled because the agc's heard the BUF station closing case instead.

A few years ago, I think the last time anyone saw MC in phx we disussed this in the break room and he told us to "file a grievance" and he would resolve this right away. Well we did but it still happens. The funny thing is that we have been hearing from the transfers that the other stations are starting to do it the PHX way so maybe this isn't just a PHX problem but a system wide issue.

PHX Devil,
As I asked Solidarity could you provide more details concerning this issue? MC in PHX? Who's bright idea was that? He's your AGC and you havn't seen him for a few years? In a hub city? Wow!

[Solidarity]

Some differences with the Lead responsibility. The Lead is responsible for rounding up all the ground equipment for his gate. All ESOMs go to the Lead. I heard a story about a Lead getting a ticket for the potable water cap not replaced and the Lead didn't do the water. They pull agents to upgrade to Lead daily. Just a few.

[PHX Devil]

Not sure where your getting your info but it is everyone's responsibility to round up equipment. As for the eson, that has been a point of contention in every area. The lead does not get an eson because someone messes up but depending on the supervisor, everyone will get one if they were responsible for the safety issue. The company does pull agents to lead (qualified people only) but they do that to avoid ot. Like I said we grieved that and are waiting arbitration.

As for MC he has been MIA in the west for two years.

[ograc]

PHX Devil, on 22 February 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

Not sure where your getting your info but it is everyone's responsibility to round up equipment. As for the eson, that has been a point of contention in every area. The lead does not get an eson because someone messes up but depending on the supervisor, everyone will get one if they were responsible for the safety issue. The company does pull agents to lead (qualified people only) but they do that to avoid ot. Like I said we grieved that and are waiting arbitration.

As for MC he has been MIA in the west for two years.

Are the agents being assigned Lead putting in for Lead pay? I'm a little confused about the esons. Is it the Lead is being issued the eson for someone else's safety infraction or the Lead is being expected to issue esons?
MIA in a station the size of PHX, or any other station for that matter, inexucsable.

[bagchucker]

I will vouch for MC being MIA. He is supposed to be the contact AGC for the station I worked at that just got the axe. He was of no support during that process or any time before that process that he was "assigned" to this region. Just WHERE is he and WHAT is he doing to "earn" that nice compensation package that AGC's get??? Inquiring minds want to know! Sorry to get off topic, but I am just adding to recent comments on this thread. All part of a larger problem with the relationship the IAM has with its US Airways members, I think. Probably a large contributing factor to the impression that PHX beats to its own drum!

[ChockJockey]

ograc, on 22 February 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Are the agents being assigned Lead putting in for Lead pay? I'm a little confused about the esons. Is it the Lead is being issued the eson for someone else's safety infraction or the Lead is being expected to issue esons?
MIA in a station the size of PHX, or any other station for that matter, inexucsable.

In PHX, leads can either be "hired-on" permanent leads or lead-qualified agents that can be temporarily upgraded.

Agents that are "upgraded" to Lead for a shift automatically have their pay increased for that shift as well, it shows up in Workbrain as a pay differential for that day. If an agent is upgraded in the middle or end of his shift, he (is supposed to) receive lead pay for the whole shift. Only agents with "quals", or team lead qualifications, can be upgraded or pick up lead shifts. Once you're qualified, the only way to become unqualified is either sign up to have your qualifications dropped with management (which they rarely allow) or get on a level three disciplinary level. I know of a few leads that either have or were considering getting on a level three just to lose their lead qualifications.

Agents that are qualified to be leads and are not "hired-on" dedicated leads may at the beginning of a new bid period sign the "no pull" list which basically puts them towards the bottom of the upgrade list. A lot if not most lead qualified agents sign the no-pull list but in a pinch they'll still upgrade people from it anyway.

This problem used to be more severe until a couple of years ago when PHX was effectively opened for transfers and furloughs to come to be leads, in fact becoming a FT dedicated lead was the only way a lot of those people were able to make it to PHX. Before that time easily half the leads on the ramp for a given shift were upgrades. Even though they had a slew of hired-on lead positions filled since that time, management has never stopped relying on the flexibility that comes with being able to upgrade certain agents at will.

A lead may get an ESON for something amiss at his or her gate, such as the main gear not being chocked, or a missing delineator or what have you since they are responsible for that gate; in fact if they wanted to they could give the whole gate crew ESON's for no one having noticed it or done anything about it. A lead won't and shouldn't receive an ESON when an agent on the crew is neglecting something that that agent is personally responsible for or his doing with his person; for example if Johnny Idiot is hopping between carts and over tongues his lead isn't going to get the ESON for it, Johnny is.

Leads do not issue ESON's in PHX, never have. Hope this clarifies...

[blownkneesbob]

reference the lead problem. Why hasn't a lead signed up for OT and then grieve it when management upgrades OUT of CLASS
I realize that PHX has no District support but that should be won through the grievance committee.. what gives I thought this
problem was being addressed a couple years ago.

[niblet]

ChockJockey, on 22 February 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

In PHX, leads can either be "hired-on" permanent leads or lead-qualified agents that can be temporarily upgraded.

Agents that are "upgraded" to Lead for a shift automatically have their pay increased for that shift as well, it shows up in Workbrain as a pay differential for that day. If an agent is upgraded in the middle or end of his shift, he (is supposed to) receive lead pay for the whole shift. Only agents with "quals", or team lead qualifications, can be upgraded or pick up lead shifts. Once you're qualified, the only way to become unqualified is either sign up to have your qualifications dropped with management (which they rarely allow) or get on a level three disciplinary level. I know of a few leads that either have or were considering getting on a level three just to lose their lead qualifications.

Agents that are qualified to be leads and are not "hired-on" dedicated leads may at the beginning of a new bid period sign the "no pull" list which basically puts them towards the bottom of the upgrade list. A lot if not most lead qualified agents sign the no-pull list but in a pinch they'll still upgrade people from it anyway.

This problem used to be more severe until a couple of years ago when PHX was effectively opened for transfers and furloughs to come to be leads, in fact becoming a FT dedicated lead was the only way a lot of those people were able to make it to PHX. Before that time easily half the leads on the ramp for a given shift were upgrades. Even though they had a slew of hired-on lead positions filled since that time, management has never stopped relying on the flexibility that comes with being able to upgrade certain agents at will.

A lead may get an ESON for something amiss at his or her gate, such as the main gear not being chocked, or a missing delineator or what have you since they are responsible for that gate; in fact if they wanted to they could give the whole gate crew ESON's for no one having noticed it or done anything about it. A lead won't and shouldn't receive an ESON when an agent on the crew is neglecting something that that agent is personally responsible for or his doing with his person; for example if Johnny Idiot is hopping between carts and over tongues his lead isn't going to get the ESON for it, Johnny is.

Leads do not issue ESON's in PHX, never have. Hope this clarifies...

I've seen temp upgrades but never on a daily basis. I would do the same and sign up for overtime then grieve in. Manipulation of overtime. What are lead qualifications? I dont remember ever seeing any. Any one with senority can upgrade. Even temporary