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[strikeforce]

Birdman, on 21 February 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

The legality of separate contracts within the Mechanic craft and class has been called into question before. With few minor exceptions, none of their competitors pay their line different wages than their o/h and from the TWU's point of view it would go totally against their "strength in numbers" philosophy anyway. The compAAny's goal is to exceed profit parity with their competitors. Their innovative goals are to set lower industry standards in regard to pay, holidays, and vacation, with stricter work rules, sick pay, and expanded OSM usage. They will become the envy of their corporate peers and the bane of labor.

In one of my earlier threads I indicated that OSM's will one day outnumber amt's at the bases, and it's evident by AA's actions that it's going to happen sooner rather than later. The amt's, I don't think, will have an appetite for non-licensed workers, that will represent the majority, to dictate our wages and benefits in the future.

As far as legality, when was the last time seperate contracts were challenged???  AA has one shot at destroying the M&R craft and class.....and I don't see anyone standing in their way. That's not very good news for the A&P mechanics industry wide.

[Buck]

The OSM's may have their license, however being compensated is another story.

[Duke787]

I think AA is missing a big opportunity by not spinning off OH both AFW and TUL into it's own company, but under the AMR umbrella. Having an experienced workforce with the infrastructure already in place would be major hurdles already overcome if AMR opened it's own MRO.

Would a OH guy tell us if they would rather stay at Tulsa  working for $28 an hour or move to OKC and make $28 an hour, or living in their home in Alliance Texas working for $28 an hour or staying with AA living in NY, or California for $33 an hour.

IMO AA is either wrong for not spinning off OH or wrong for not dumping all of OH, how many years have we heard that OH is costing AA too much in labor.

[Duke787]

AA89, on 21 February 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

I have to agree with Duke787. As much as I despise what this union has become, had we voted yes on the T/A we would at last have the money in our pocket. (For the record I voted NO because of the Retiree Medical cut. Hoping there would be a counter from the company to keep at least that. I admit it was a mistake) No matter how we had voted I think this day was coming. There are too many restore and more/I want SWA pay guys IN OVERHAUL that the company would have had a hard time either paying OH less or forcing the OH mechs to the line. Too many guys just can't see what the industry had become and can only see what it was. It was a gamble and it appears we lost, for now.

Well said, I think those OH guys over estimated their worth to AA. Like I just posted, I would spin them off to their own company. Those guys are just to good to throw to the street. There must be money in MRO work as there are a lot of MRO company's. Unfortunately the T Town guys are pricing themselves out of the market.

[AAOHNO]

Duke787, on 06 March 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

I think AA is missing a big opportunity by not spinning off OH both AFW and TUL into it's own company, but under the AMR umbrella. Having an experienced workforce with the infrastructure already in place would be major hurdles already overcome if AMR opened it's own MRO.

Would a OH guy tell us if they would rather stay at Tulsa  working for $28 an hour or move to OKC and make $28 an hour, or living in their home in Alliance Texas working for $28 an hour or staying with AA living in NY, or California for $33 an hour.

IMO AA is either wrong for not spinning off OH or wrong for not dumping all of OH, how many years have we heard that OH is costing AA too much in labor.

Sorry.....that's not an option......In order to make $28 you must go to JFK, ORD, LAX, or MIA....but hey, if you don't like it you can move to Tulsa!   KARMA (def)destiny or fate, following as effect from cause.

[dvlhog212]

PEMCO It`s a race to the bottom!

[Birdman]

dvlhog212, on 06 March 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

PEMCO It`s a race to the bottom!

Interesting. It appears that United, Jetblue, and National has been getting such a good deal on maintenance that they drove their MRO into BK. Looks like it might be costing more in the future.

[AAOHNO]

Birdman, on 06 March 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

Interesting. It appears that United, Jetblue, and National has been getting such a good deal on maintenance that they drove their MRO into BK. Looks like it might be costing more in the future.

If they drove their MRO into BK then all that means is that they will lower their labor costs....see you at the bottom!