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[strikeforce]

Buck, on 22 February 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

It is not that many AMT's in TUL cannot see the need for change and would do so. It is the TWU who is "protecting" the TUL workforce. The TWU is very good at one thing, that is to instill fear into the masses. I remember one imcident. One old timer came up to me and got into my face and said something to the effect, paraphasing: If you destroy my pension I will kill you. I am not sure if he used the word kill, but his point was clear.

I have yet to see a major push by line maintenance within the law, attempt to seperate from OH. There only seems to be a half a dozen or so on this board that are vocal. Where are the your numbers and facts showing how a seperation could be accomplished?

You're question is more geared towards the AMFA and AMP organizers to show what percentage of Line and OH voted in favor of seperation. Where's AA Pitbull?? I think AMP came up 1000 short and AMFA was real close until the TWU and AA started adding dead people to the list, right?

Look, you're finally seeing the ramifications of listening to the TWU. Right now, it's too late in the ball game to re-organize with AMP or AMFA because our contract will be destroyed either voluntarily or by the judge. When Tulsa had the chance to seperate, you chose the TWU....good for you!

Line maintenance can only do so much within the law.....WE are not the majority, yet. And, when WE are the majority....I guarantee the TWU will be GONE!! That's if I stick around.

You know Buck, why is it that 2K to 3K line amt's can see right thru the TWU and 5K to 6K can't?? We get the same threats, but WE ignore those threats and move forward by signing those cards anyway. I mean, how bad can change be compared to what WE are about to experience, right?

[enough already]

Our dues money at work.....
"Union making effort to keep American Airlines jobs in Tulsa"

http://www.krmg.com/...-jobs-tu/nJcx5/

But they don't use our dues for political purposes, right?

[strikeforce]

enough already, on 22 February 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Our dues money at work.....
"Union making effort to keep American Airlines jobs in Tulsa"

http://www.krmg.com/...-jobs-tu/nJcx5/

But they don't use our dues for political purposes, right?

I guess the union has given up on AFW, eh??????

I guess they don't care about keeping jobs in North Texas?????

[Buck]

strikeforce, on 22 February 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

You're question is more geared towards the AMFA and AMP organizers to show what percentage of Line and OH voted in favor of seperation. Where's AA Pitbull?? I think AMP came up 1000 short and AMFA was real close until the TWU and AA started adding dead people to the list, right?

Look, you're finally seeing the ramifications of listening to the TWU. Right now, it's too late in the ball game to re-organize with AMP or AMFA because our contract will be destroyed either voluntarily or by the judge. When Tulsa had the chance to seperate, you chose the TWU....good for you!

Line maintenance can only do so much within the law.....WE are not the majority, yet. And, when WE are the majority....I guarantee the TWU will be GONE!! That's if I stick around.

You know Buck, why is it that 2K to 3K line amt's can see right thru the TWU and 5K to 6K can't?? We get the same threats, but WE ignore those threats and move forward by signing those cards anyway. I mean, how bad can change be compared to what WE are about to experience, right?

No my question is to you and the Line Mechanics. I am not sure what actually accured with the AMFA vote. I do not know how long you have been "working for the TWU". I believe that you and the Line Mechanics are rather naive if you think all mechanics at OH are satisfied with the TWU. You tell me why you believe that the line will ever become the majority? Explain to me how the TWU will be gone, over a vote of an assumed majority? It is going to take the elimination of fear for that change to occur. The TWU is a business and I do not see that business filing for bankruptcy any time soon.

I am of the opinion that those on the aircraft docks and possibly the engine shops are really seeking change with little or no fear, as that has been wiped from our existance due to the filing. Those in the support shops hold the majority. The TWU supporters control the local because the real majority has grown tired of no leadership. Literally if the whole membership attended you might see some change. If their is anyone who disagrees with my position, please say so. I know of only one person who works in a support shop who has been attempting change for years and he has been telling you and the line that for maybe longer than you have been at AA.

[texasreb]

strikeforce, on 22 February 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

I guess the union has given up on AFW, eh??????

I guess they don't care about keeping jobs in North Texas?????

No, because we at AFW are being punished for voting all of those contracts down.

[787nightmare]

767 mechanic, on 21 February 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

You left out somethings. The old contract under the iam allowed 100% outsourcing as long as there were no layoffs. Which was stupid do to attrition eventually doing away with everybody. The AMFA put a 40% cap on that. The twu had a 20 or 22% if I remember correctly. I bet that % is going to grow well above 40% in the near future. As far as pay goes the twu allowed our negotiations to slow to a crawl to allow
the AMFA to raise the bar because they new that if they did not get a better contract they would be gone from the property at aa. The former president at afw (Joe Hasen) had informed many of the members that we would be lucky if we achieved $29 Hr at the end of the contract. The funny thing
is he said this before the AMFA achieved there contract and then all of a sudden we topped out at $35.89 an hour (base pay and license prem) at the end of the contract. We also recieved 12 sick days,up from the previouse 10,but the AMFA had already gotten that also. The bottom line is the twu rode another unions coat tails again

Truth here....
Between the TWU "contract" following AMFAs ind leading deal at NWA, and the AMFA rep card drive debacle at AA;
What more proof does one need to see utter collusion between AA and TWU? Pathetic and frankly, disgusting!

[Buck]

Rumor: TWU Local 514 and International having Backdoor meetings Cirri, Hewitt, Viditche and Gless. $10.00 pay cut for jobs..

[Birdman]

Buck, on 22 February 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

Rumor: TWU Local 514 and International having Backdoor meetings Cirri, Hewitt, Viditche and Gless. $10.00 pay cut for jobs..

And my blood pressure was doing so well.