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[Kev3188]

NYCDelta, on 27 December 2011 - 12:52 PM, said:

Why should they all not receive the same pay/benefits? I may be missing something, or I may just not be that kind of person, but I don't understand the argument that FL F/A's should have to give something up in this merger.

I don't get it, either; especially since the FL F/A's had no say in the matter. If WN F/A's want to be angry, they need to direct their ire at the BOD.

[buscador]

Kev3188, on 28 December 2011 - 06:34 AM, said:

I don't get it, either; especially since the FL F/A's had no say in the matter. If WN F/A's want to be angry, they need to direct their ire at the BOD.

And we are, our union Twu556 crumbled, they gave away the house... you guys are right that SWA is much bigger than AT so it wasnt a huge impact,,,,but in the big picture the AT people or SWA people dont see is simply this,, because there was a # 2.5 years + for the SWA side(not enough) and not a ratio,, it will hurt all the SWA/AT Fa's in the future,, so when SWA goes after another company that is much more senior i.e Alaska(with Fa's of 30+ years) they will ask for the same deal that AT got,,, we will add 2.5 years to the New/original SWA companies FA's and alaska will get a bigger windfall than AT did or could of imagined....

Now the next airline SWA buys out will have the upper hand if it goes to arbitration,, they will simply say ,, hey SWA only added 2.5 years on the last deal, while they gave away their industry leading contract and thats exactly what we want... the arbitrator will start at that point and All original SWA/AT fa's will lose even more,,that will forever be the answer,,,,

but hey we have now become the Lottery Airline,,others in trouble hope SWA buys them out so they will get huge payraises and bennies for the same job they are doing now,,, I have already been asked by american FA's if they think SWA will buy them out,, American is more senior then alaska,,, wow,, SWA keeps handing out seniority and pay,, all the originals may be on reserve soon,,,this is not good,, will not be good for anyone who started at SWA,,

I may just have to play the mega millions and power ball ,, maybe I will win a lottery ticket someday as well,,,

[AdAstraPerAspera]

buscador, on 01 January 2012 - 04:07 AM, said:

... it will hurt all the SWA/AT Fa's in the future,, so when SWA goes after another company that is much more senior i.e Alaska(with Fa's of 30+ years) they will ask for the same deal that AT got,,, we will add 2.5 years to the New/original SWA companies FA's and alaska will get a bigger windfall than AT did or could of imagined....

Oh good lord. You are really dreaming if you think WN will buy or merge with Alaska. Yeah, that'll be the day.

[swamt]

AdAstraPerAspera, on 05 January 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

Oh good lord. You are really dreaming if you think WN will buy or merge with Alaska. Yeah, that'll be the day.

Never say never. The Frontier and AirTran rumers were flowing about 1-2 years prior to each getting offers. The SWA buying or merging Alaska has also been a rumor for the last year or so. Do not think that it will never happen. Mark my words, SWA will buy or merge or something, with another airline sometime in the future. My prediction is it will be by the end of 2015 or so.

[buscador]

swamt, on 06 January 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Never say never. The Frontier and AirTran rumers were flowing about 1-2 years prior to each getting offers. The SWA buying or merging Alaska has also been a rumor for the last year or so. Do not think that it will never happen. Mark my words, SWA will buy or merge or something, with another airline sometime in the future. My prediction is it will be by the end of 2015 or so.

No need to reply to him,, I would agree with you Swamt,, there will be another take over,,,, I just hope the next airlines FA's are a little more reasonable and apprecitative,, and try not to take it all!!!.. just saying,,,

[Kev3188]

AdAstraPerAspera, on 05 January 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

Oh good lord. You are really dreaming if you think WN will buy or merge with Alaska. Yeah, that'll be the day.

I agree, but...

swamt, on 06 January 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Never say never.

Also true, but remember AS has repeatedly-and emphatically- stated that they have no interest in merging with anyone.

[swamt]

buscador, on 06 January 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

No need to reply to him,, I would agree with you Swamt,, there will be another take over,,,, I just hope the next airlines FA's are a little more reasonable and apprecitative,, and try not to take it all!!!.. just saying,,,

I see what your saying now, this guy doesn't have a clue does he?

[IORFA]

NYCDelta, on 27 December 2011 - 12:52 PM, said:

Like Jim said, if they had used 5 years or 10 years, thus causing the FL F/A's to be in the bottom 99%, that is called "stapling" which is now illegal.

Just to be clear, there is nothing "illegal" about stapling. You are misinformed. Stapling can still happen, it just has to be agreed to by the union/work group. There might be the right situation with the right amount of incentives to make that happen again. Did you already forget that SWAPA tried to do just that to the Frontier pilots? They said NO, and they are now circling the toilet at this time instead of being part of a growing airline. Also, there is nothing that says an arbitrator can't staple an acquired work group either. Please try not to post completely false information!