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[john john]

frontline, on 14 December 2011 - 01:49 PM, said:

Isn't this the same union that took Verizon workers out on a pointless strike for two weeks earlier this year? Do they even have a contract to show for it? No. What a waste. I don't know any agents who can afford to spend weeks on the picket line and gain nothing in return.

After the bankrupisty court finishes with the employee groups at AA you are going to wish you had Verizon pay work rules benefits and retirement

[john john]

Mrs. McFly, on 14 December 2011 - 12:41 PM, said:

Who's talking about decertifying unions?

FWAAA, on 13 December 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

One thing they stand to lose is the monthly union dues.

In order for you to do away with union dues you have to do away with the union

Mrs. McFly, on 14 December 2011 - 12:41 PM, said:

The way I'm reading this is the CWA is swooping in to take advantage of a situation, especially when everyone knows full well that they would not have a seat at the table.

Smart move it will kept management in line and at bay

When and if CWA is certified the agents will have a seat at the table

[eolesen]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, JJ.

The creditors committee is set. There won't be changes to it.

I seriously doubt "it will keep management at bay" since the agents have always had more latitude than other groups.

I could care less if they go union, but it's not going to gain them anything they don't already have. It might wind up costing a few things. Agents have a pretty liberal TL policy right now, and it has helped avoided seasonal layoffs. Put a CBA in place, and AA will probably furlough instead of bothering to look for TL. Home-based Res would probably go away in a heartbeat.

But do go ahead and try. Isn't this the fourth or fifth attempt by either the CWA or the IBT?

[737823]

frontline, on 14 December 2011 - 01:49 PM, said:

Isn't this the same union that took Verizon workers out on a pointless strike for two weeks earlier this year? Do they even have a contract to show for it? No. What a waste. I don't know any agents who can afford to spend weeks on the picket line and gain nothing in return.

The Verizon thugs thought they could undermine the company and disrupt normal operations but Verizon was chugging along unscathed. The CWA has outrageous demands that the company is in no position to support. The wireline business is declining while the non-union wireless division is flourishing. Hopefully the ground based customer contact workers will reject union representation. There is one agent at BOS that always wears the CWA pin and unsurprisingly she's rude and inefficient.

Josh

[john john]

eolesen, on 15 December 2011 - 12:26 AM, said:

Wrong, wrong, wrong, JJ.

The creditors committee is set. There won't be changes to it.

I seriously doubt "it will keep management at bay" since the agents have always had more latitude than other groups.

I could care less if they go union, but it's not going to gain them anything they don't already have. It might wind up costing a few things. Agents have a pretty liberal TL policy right now, and it has helped avoided seasonal layoffs. Put a CBA in place, and AA will probably furlough instead of bothering to look for TL. Home-based Res would probably go away in a heartbeat.

But do go ahead and try. Isn't this the fourth or fifth attempt by either the CWA or the IBT?

The agents if certified will have a seat at the bargaining table with management and will be able to negotiate a contract like every other employee group at AA. It well be interresting to see how the bankrupisty courts will handle status quo if the agents certify CWA. The creditors committee is not were the contracts would be negotiate with labor.
What is a TL?

[john john]

737823, on 15 December 2011 - 05:06 AM, said:

The Verizon thugs thought they could undermine the company and disrupt normal operations but Verizon was chugging along unscathed. The CWA has outrageous demands that the company is in no position to support. The wireline business is declining while the non-union wireless division is flourishing. Hopefully the ground based customer contact workers will reject union representation. There is one agent at BOS that always wears the CWA pin and unsurprisingly she's rude and inefficient.

Josh

And AA unionize employees do what? To get an industry leading contact. So if you wear a pin you can be rude?

[Hopeful]

john john, on 15 December 2011 - 06:37 AM, said:

And AA unionize employees do what? To get an industry leading contact. So if you wear a pin you can be rude

Oh I guess you never came across a NON UNION worker who was rude in your entire life?

Let me explain something to you.....Airline workers as a whole have born the brunt of getting screwed since deregulation. Tens of thousands of layoffs, paycuts, benefits and pensions lost....And your priority is getting that "special" treatment because you're so special.

If management was as wonderful and always right as some defenders like you believe, there would be no unions...or any desire for them.

[john john]

Hopeful, on 15 December 2011 - 07:27 AM, said:

Oh I guess you never came across a NON UNION worker who was rude in your entire life?

Let me explain something to you.....Airline workers as a whole have born the brunt of getting screwed since deregulation. Tens of thousands of layoffs, paycuts, benefits and pensions lost....And your priority is getting that "special" treatment because you're so special.

If management was as wonderful and always right as some defenders like you believe, there would be no unions...or any desire for them.

I agree 110%
I lived it!! No need to explain to me.Try to explain it to the rest of AA hire union busting machine