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[AvTech04]

So, after all the deliberation and negotiations, AMFA's committee that represents the SWA mechanics, throws all the negociations out the window and comes with the most rediculous proposal of all time! Final offer from AMFA committee,, SWA mechanics gain 12 yrs seniority!!! Wow! Talk about a slap in the face! If the SWA guys were never serious about any of this then they should've said so from the get go! The arbitrator would've made a decision by now... Shameful is what it is... Gives the word pre-Madonna a whole new meaning.

[buscador]

AvTech04, on 20 October 2011 - 08:37 PM, said:

So, after all the deliberation and negotiations, AMFA's committee that represents the SWA mechanics, throws all the negociations out the window and comes with the most rediculous proposal of all time! Final offer from AMFA committee,, SWA mechanics gain 12 yrs seniority!!! Wow! Talk about a slap in the face! If the SWA guys were never serious about any of this then they should've said so from the get go! The arbitrator would've made a decision by now... Shameful is what it is... Gives the word pre-Madonna a whole new meaning.

Not sure what that means, the most senior AT mech would have 6 years senority???... So a 3 for 1,, for every 3 years at AT you get credit for 1 at SWA??

Better than being stapled I guess,, but a far cry from the WE want everything attitude I see the SWA guys claiming AT people are demanding..

Maybe every AT employee should vote NO on everything,, SWA decides to keep operations seperate,, keep all AT employees under their current contracts for 5-10 years ,,, Then as they get rid of the 717s and employees needed to operate that equipment.. you will look back and wonder.... I guess when a company pays 1.4 billion for another company,, they have some leverage... u may look back and wonder if your demands were unreasonable,, to expect to walk into substancial pay raises,,, quality of life,, a stronger company and say we want everything and Oh yea,, our seniority ,,, OR Else... maybe not the right attitude.... (Some SWA mechs seem to think this is AT attitude)

SWA guys seem a little peeved ,, I can understand both sides,, but the WE deserve everything.. that would better our lives but you SWA guys,, ha you get nothing,, buts thats ok,, even though there are 5-6 times more of you guys,, WE deserve,,YOU dont...(again just watching the posts, the atttitudes on both sides may have to be adjusted)

Maybe just maybe AT folks didnt think this one through enough,,, negotiations are supposed to be GIVE and TAKE,, not TAKE And TAKE everything leaving nothing positive for the SWA guys,,

Just food for thought,, I didnt want your post to sit out there all alone with no responses... none if matters,, these forums are just a bunch of employees venting...

[AvTech04]

Not sure what your rant is about, obviously your committee hasn't come back to inform you of what they did. They came into the room after 2 days of long negotiations and changed the game altogether.. The negotiations consisted of boost senority for SWA from a percentage, 70% boost if Airtran went into a SWA station, some fences, etc.. 2 days later, the SWA AMFA committee decided they wanted every mechanic at SWA to get an automatic boost in seniority of 12 yrs!! Meaning, since I have to dumb it down for those can can't do the simple math, a mechanic of 1 year at SWA would gain 12 making him/her a 13 year mechanic, 12+1=13... Do you understand now?? That also means that SWA's most senior mechanic would have more seniority than the company has even existed! lol

Obviously this wouldn't and will not pass.. But no worries, dragging this out so AMFA's officers vote and the pilot vote go through first is going to be the worst thing that YOUR committee of junior mechanics could do..

Besides, the scare tactic of not integrating the airlines will no longer work. Even if SWA does that, Airtran mechanics will be just fine ;-)

[buscador]

AvTech04, on 21 October 2011 - 04:07 AM, said:

Not sure what your rant is about, obviously your committee hasn't come back to inform you of what they did. They came into the room after 2 days of long negotiations and changed the game altogether.. The negotiations consisted of boost senority for SWA from a percentage, 70% boost if Airtran went into a SWA station, some fences, etc.. 2 days later, the SWA AMFA committee decided they wanted every mechanic at SWA to get an automatic boost in seniority of 12 yrs!! Meaning, since I have to dumb it down for those can can't do the simple math, a mechanic of 1 year at SWA would gain 12 making him/her a 13 year mechanic, 12+1=13... Do you understand now?? That also means that SWA's most senior mechanic would have more seniority than the company has even existed! lol

Obviously this wouldn't and will not pass.. But no worries, dragging this out so AMFA's officers vote and the pilot vote go through first is going to be the worst thing that YOUR committee of junior mechanics could do..

Besides, the scare tactic of not integrating the airlines will no longer work. Even if SWA does that, Airtran mechanics will be just fine ;-)

Thanks for dumbing it down for me,, I am not a mech and obviously too stupid to understand the complexity of your contract and negotiations. Whew.. now that we got my intellectual deficiencies out of the way!!

YOU say YOUR committee of junior ,, well you can stop there,, I may not be a mech but I can tell you That all 8000 AT employees are Junior in my eyes.. not one would be senior to me,, unless of course you went with relative seniority which I have heard many AT people mention(not surprising),,, There is a lot off arrogance on both sides I get that,, but the fact that SWA people get nothing personally,,you dont get.. Too many.. it feels like a robbery in progress,,, Not one AT person can or will go above me but I believe in fairness for the ones who have followed me and have put in their time,, if AT bought out another airline I would love to hear the song you sang

I would have to agree with you .. that seems like a ridiculous offer... because SWA definitely wouldnt put them up 12 steps on the pay scale,, I said it before, ,#1 take your seniority and your current contract and Hold it for 10 years #2 give up something(seniority) and get the financial upgrades....one or the other,,(again mine or your opinion is only worth a vote)

I would not and cant ever agree that DOH is fair to the purchasing airline,, in this deal or any other,, The stronger company should have the upper hand and protect the employees that have made it so,, not by shafting AT by any means but DOH cmon,, do you plan on leaving at least the PIE tin so the swa people can smell what flavor it was,,

lots of things I dont understand,,, why or how amfa would offer something like that,, I dont understand why AT guys think they should get DOH+benefits etc, I dont understand how the SWA employees get anything out of this deal(personally or on payday).. I understand that both sides need to give up something,,,ohh the attitudes,, Only time will tell,, Nov 7th will be interesting

I DO understand that I cant sleep,, ranting helps,,lol..hey at least you have responses,, seems like everyone else is tuning you out..

[737MX]

AMFA has not changed......they ruined things at Northwest and that same mentality is starting to show at Southwest. Too much greed and "It's all about me attitude".

[swamt]

AvTech04, on 20 October 2011 - 08:37 PM, said:

So, after all the deliberation and negotiations, AMFA's committee that represents the SWA mechanics, throws all the negociations out the window and comes with the most rediculous proposal of all time! Final offer from AMFA committee,, SWA mechanics gain 12 yrs seniority!!! Wow! Talk about a slap in the face! If the SWA guys were never serious about any of this then they should've said so from the get go! The arbitrator would've made a decision by now... Shameful is what it is... Gives the word pre-Madonna a whole new meaning.

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Your post was copied and posted in another thread. So not to keep it hidden. Why didn't you post this in the other main thread for the SWA and AT nego Your post is extremely fishy. All future post from you will be concidered as false or hostile. If you were told this stuff expose the person that told you so all the members at AT can see who it is, because if he is a nego committee member he needs to be removed from the table.

[AvTech04]

swamt, on 21 October 2011 - 09:34 AM, said:

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Your post was copied and posted in another thread. So not to keep it hidden. Why didn't you post this in the other main thread for the SWA and AT nego Your post is extremely fishy. All future post from you will be concidered as false or hostile. If you were told this stuff expose the person that told you so all the members at AT can see who it is, because if he is a nego committee member he needs to be removed from the table.

@SWAMT, Stop trying to save face by calling this false information!!! I know FOR A FACT this is accurate! I didn't post this anywhere else because I decided to create a whole new thread so this could be made public!! If your SWA's Mechanics AMFA committee is not and will not share this information with you then that's your problem.. And this is why we (meaning airtran mechanics committee) walked out of the negotiations and refused to reschedule until after the pilots vote goes through because it's obvious SWA's Mechanic committee isn't serious about integrating the 2 workforces, which they admitted during the last meeting. The next negotiation meeting would of been scheduled for Nov 4th, but after all of our time that was put in was wasted, we (Airtran's Committee) decided not reconvene until they are ready to seriously sit down and talk...

it's obvious that you are trying to discredit me for whatever reason, to save face, to not allow this to go pubic, whatever the reason may be won't stop me from making this information public! Besides, I couldn't in my wildest dreams make up a story like this and expect anyone to believe unless it were true so you can save your attempted battering for someone else.

Please note, none of what has been discussed in ANY of these threads or forums has actually been placed on paper officially, including this current thread. This is just the information of the "talks'' (because we obviously can't actually call them negotiations anymore) between the SWA AMFA mechanic committee and the Aitran Mechanics committee.

[AvTech04]

I will reiterate something that SWAMT did point out, this is not the official final offer from AMFA, this was the final offer made after 2 days of negotiations. Like I stated above, there has not been any official offer as of yet, these have been mere talks and caucusing back and forth between the Airtan committee and the AMFA committee. This may not be the last meeting held but because of the ridiculousness of the 12 yr boost offer, it made it even more apparent that the AMFA committee was not serious during the "talks". My apologize if I mis communicated this information, I am, afterall, typing all of this from my phone so it's a little more difficult to be descriptive in my post, I will make a better attempt to post as transparent and descriptive as possible. But, never the less, If SWAMT did in fact speak to a creditable source, then he/she should know that the information is not false! They are now asking for a 12 yr boost in seniority.