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[luvgoldens24]

My husband is an US Airbus Captain and I have often visited this site. I was hired as a flight attendant at Alaska Air and went through 6 weeks of training with average test scores around 90%, scored 97% the 100 question final then 100% on both my evacuation drills. I had only been online for 10 days when the brand new check air lady came on board to give me a new hire check ride. It states on our paper work for the check ride plus in our contract we are allowed to refer to our inflight manual during the check ride. It was also my first time as "A" flight attendant. I thought it was going well, gave my pilots their hot meals, restroom breaks, and was able to keep up great service to my 16 First Class PAX. The check air lady started asking me questions, like at what altitude do the O2 masks drop? I could not recall, neither of my pilots knew, but kindly looked it up for me. I was marked down for not having the answer immediately. I did well in all areas except for these questions. I know my stuff but was intimidated and nervous. The check air person denied me the use of my manual. Also there was a probationary check ride study guide that we were supposed to have been given, but the entire SEA base did not receive this. If I could have had this paperwork I would have had no trouble passing my check ride. Well, I failed my check ride and was grounded up in ANC. A week later I was called in and this time I knew my stuff as I had received the study guide from an ANC F/A. The first question I hesitated on, (where and how many PBE's on the 737/400 Combi in the fwd. vestible.) I was promptly terminated. I was devastated because I LOVED this company and was so excited to return to the career I loved after staying home for 20 years as a pilot's wife raising our two daughters. They said they had "concerns" on how I would do during an emergency as I was obviously nervous during my check ride. I flew Convair 580's with Aspen Airways in the 80's and had several serious emergencies, and handled them all very well as the solo flight attendant. Seems like such a waste to spend so much training me (rumored to be around $45,000) and then fire me after 10 days for missing one question. It was a huge expense for us as well setting up a apartment in Seattle, then moving it all back again. I promise you I did nothing wrong! Any thoughts? I have a little slide show that takes you through my little adventure.

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[Kev3188]

Wow! Quite a story...

Not many AS people frequent this board, but plenty of F/A's from other carriers do. Hopefully someone can provide some good advice.

Good luck!

[lineguy43]

luvgoldens24, on 08 September 2011 - 12:49 AM, said:

My husband is an US Airbus Captain and I have often visited this site. I was hired as a flight attendant at Alaska Air and went through 6 weeks of training with average test scores around 90%, scored 97% the 100 question final then 100% on both my evacuation drills. I had only been online for 10 days when the brand new check air lady came on board to give me a new hire check ride. It states on our paper work for the check ride plus in our contract we are allowed to refer to our inflight manual during the check ride. It was also my first time as "A" flight attendant. I thought it was going well, gave my pilots their hot meals, restroom breaks, and was able to keep up great service to my 16 First Class PAX. The check air lady started asking me questions, like at what altitude do the O2 masks drop? I could not recall, neither of my pilots knew, but kindly looked it up for me. I was marked down for not having the answer immediately. I did well in all areas except for these questions. I know my stuff but was intimidated and nervous. The check air person denied me the use of my manual. Also there was a probationary check ride study guide that we were supposed to have been given, but the entire SEA base did not receive this. If I could have had this paperwork I would have had no trouble passing my check ride. Well, I failed my check ride and was grounded up in ANC. A week later I was called in and this time I knew my stuff as I had received the study guide from an ANC F/A. The first question I hesitated on, (where and how many PBE's on the 737/400 Combi in the fwd. vestible.) I was promptly terminated. I was devastated because I LOVED this company and was so excited to return to the career I loved after staying home for 20 years as a pilot's wife raising our two daughters. They said they had "concerns" on how I would do during an emergency as I was obviously nervous during my check ride. I flew Convair 580's with Aspen Airways in the 80's and had several serious emergencies, and handled them all very well as the solo flight attendant. Seems like such a waste to spend so much training me (rumored to be around $45,000) and then fire me after 10 days for missing one question. It was a huge expense for us as well setting up a apartment in Seattle, then moving it all back again. I promise you I did nothing wrong! Any thoughts? I have a little slide show that takes you through my little adventure.

Like Kevin said WOW. I find it really hard to believe they terminated you after like you said all that training I am not sure but I do believe at most airlines you can brush up and retest. Sounds like this check air lady is a stickler. My cousin Rich is a captain at AS and really likes it there do you have any chance to appeal this? It is not like you're a rookie either you have experience.

[Hula Girl]

Please check your PM.

[Spock]

I'll add to what Kevin and LineGuy said, WOW! I cannot believe those involved. In these tough economic times for airlines, to do this to you after the training expended? For what? She denied the use of your manual which by their rules was OK to use on the ck ride. And the question, "like at what altitude do the O2 masks drop?" Does AS have altimeters in their galleys or F/A stations? Why the hell would you need to know what altitude for? Your just doing your job, your not monitoring cabin altitude. All you need to know is that if those masks drop, what to do then! What a chicken s--t outfit. I getting pissed off just thinking of how badly you were treated. I.m a tech but know several F/A's and I'll run this by them too.

Kevin, remember this is the same outfit that farmed out rampers in SEA and one of those folks ran a belt loader into a MD80 during loading and told no one. Then at altitutde, you know what happened.

[nbmcg01]

Spock, on 10 September 2011 - 06:24 PM, said:

I'll add to what Kevin and LineGuy said, WOW! I cannot believe those involved. In these tough economic times for airlines, to do this to you after the training expended? For what? She denied the use of your manual which by their rules was OK to use on the ck ride. And the question, "like at what altitude do the O2 masks drop?" Does AS have altimeters in their galleys or F/A stations? Why the hell would you need to know what altitude for? Your just doing your job, your not monitoring cabin altitude. All you need to know is that if those masks drop, what to do then! What a chicken s--t outfit. I getting pissed off just thinking of how badly you were treated. I.m a tech but know several F/A's and I'll run this by them too.

Kevin, remember this is the same outfit that farmed out rampers in SEA and one of those folks ran a belt loader into a MD80 during loading and told no one. Then at altitutde, you know what happened.

I would immediately contact your union. While probationers are not "protected" by the union, the company is required to follow contract. The other route is to file a wrongful termination action. Good luck.

[Kev3188]

Spock, on 10 September 2011 - 06:24 PM, said:

Kevin, remember this is the same outfit that farmed out rampers in SEA and one of those folks ran a belt loader into a MD80 during loading and told no one. Then at altitutde, you know what happened.

Yep.

[eolesen]

Speak with a union rep, but taking the emotions out of it, facts as they appear are that you failed a check-ride, and didn't do so well on the follow-up.

I had to let probationary employees go, but rarely acted until 30 days, and then didn't usually terminate until 60 days unless it was painfully obvious their performance wasn't going to turn around. But make a mistake that would result in a write-up? Not much choice at that point.

Some companies have different levels of tolerance for issues during probation, particularly if there is oversight from a safety agency.