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[roabilly]

It’s amazing how much time and energy goes into the seemingly reasonable psychology for denouncing Unionism and maintaining the status quo...

Entire encyclopedias could be written with arguments to discredit and/or substantiate each side’s position. But just remember... this is a side that we have already chosen collectively.

The fact of the matter is this... the Fleet Service side will prevail in negotiations just as they have prevailed in this forum. We need to look no further than the reputations of the posters in these forums to see if the majority of the members are in agreement with their ideology!

Ain’t democracy a cool thing!

So primes the fuse...

BroBilly

P.S. "I have known plenty of educated fools." AMEN BROTHER!

[NYGiantsFan90]

Wrong CO's Fleet Service were not given paycuts, guess you dont know what happens.

Funny plenty of unionized employees get fired for job performance, guess you have no idea about just cause.

[mike33]

NYGiantsFan90, on 02 September 2010 - 09:42 PM, said:

Wrong CO's Fleet Service were not given paycuts, guess you dont know what happens.

Funny plenty of unionized employees get fired for job performance, guess you have no idea about just cause.

The only thing "J" and "F" know is that they cant turn back now. They're locked into their own ideology.

[Jester]

NYGiantsFan90, on 02 September 2010 - 09:42 PM, said:

Wrong CO's Fleet Service were not given paycuts, guess you dont know what happens.

Funny plenty of unionized employees get fired for job performance, guess you have no idea about just cause.

NYGiantsFan,

"Just cause"? I have seen napping, destruction of property, no show on flights, people racing belt loaders, three hour lunches, or disappeared all within the view or knowledge of managers... usually it takes theft, fighting or attendance issues with the later examples not exactly being "job performance". I recall guys propping their feet up on the baggage piers doing crossword puzzles, drinking coffee while eating a donut as the bags just passed them by as the managers watched and said nothing.

I know you will blame managers, but don't tell me people are being fired for "job performance" unless some manager has hard one for that person.

So Recounts Jester.

[Jester]

NYGiantsFan90, on 02 September 2010 - 09:42 PM, said:

Wrong CO's Fleet Service were not given paycuts, guess you dont know what happens.

Oh, really?

"Several years ago Continental asked for employee concessions, and some of the ramp workers, including Bonilla, believe they ended up giving more than their share in wages and benefits."
You are calling the guy who is attempting to organize the CO's Fleet Service Agents a liar? http://www.chron.com...el/6814697.html

"And some Continental fleet service workers say they fared worse than the airline's union groups when the company required givebacks a couple years ago to cut costs."
I guess these workers are lying too?
http://www.northjers...s/63734487.html

"Ramp workers saw their wages cut nearly 10 percent."
More lies?
http://www.dallasnew...ers.30b0d6.html

Enjoy the read.

So Corrects Jester.

[NYGiantsFan90]

Jester, on 02 September 2010 - 08:54 PM, said:

Were you attempting to be profound? Riddle me this, NYGiantsFan... in the past few years what financial measurement in the airline industry went down faster than LT on a line of blow? That's your answer, and as such, IBT was voted in after CAL's fleet agents were handed large pay cuts and that was only a few months ago... pretty much supports what I said before.... "CAL management paid more to buy-off fleet service to avoid an union." Stop the buy-off, institute large pay cuts, and CAL fleet agents voted for an union... not that difficult to understand.


Does this conflict with what I have posted? "US Air management was buying-off fleet service to avoid an union..."


So Concurs Jester.

Lets see there is a difference from a few months ago as you posted versus several years ago as you posted again, so which is it?

Your article is from 2009, which says several years ago, they took concessions in 2005, thats five years ago, not several months.

They voted a union in this year, not several years ago, they took concessions five years ago.

They voted in a union this year because of the merger, not concessions taken five years ago.

[Harry Callahan]

As much as I hate to admit it, for the most part I've got to agree with Jester on employees not being fired on the performance issues. Speaking of where I work only (imo) we have some of the laziest there are who let others do the work & managers refuse to do a thing about it.

[NYGiantsFan90]

Now if a manager refuses to do something about it, how is it the union's fault?

The union doesnt hire, fire or discipline US Airways employees, that role falls under management's rights.