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[ch53D]

Wretched Wrench, on Jun 5 2007, 01:29 PM, said:

It is worth noting that only the fraidy cats at TUL and MCI sissied out. The line station mechs voted it down. BNA had their roster padded with non-mechanics.

That’s not true for BNA. Title IV was separate in the vote.

Title IV

101 yes 15 No

[Chuck Schalk]

The way stations voted was mostly influenced by the boo factors given out by the TWU and the company. That is the threats if we did not approve the contract in 2003. The biggest problem of all is the lies and misinformation that poisons the minds of the TWU members and persuades them to vote out of fear as opposed to an informed vote. Knowledge is power and i have found that when the members research the truths and ask the hard questions they get angry and continue their quest for answers. This produces an informed member. The TWU enjoys the ignorance of its members and in my opinon uses it against ourselves. This is part of the reason why we are so dysfunctional. Amidst the chaos lies the rulers (TWU Int'l) who make you think they represent us all in harmony. When in actuality, they represent themselves, the company, and then the members. To further validate my point, the TWU and the company implemented much of the concessions and much of the programs that have affected our members. They pat each other on the back for jobs well done but give nothing of value to the members who work under these new programs.
remember the more we sacrifice, the more shares they get!

[TWU informer]

For myself,

I am now well versed and a victim of the problem.

I am very interested to discover a SOLUTION!

[767 mechanic]

ch53D, on Jun 5 2007, 12:07 PM, said:

Yes No

510 20 72
514 3998 1869
521 17 16
529 186 333
530 795 290
561 33 375
562 51 828
563 81 440
564 187 559
565 225 580
567 620 773
569 16 14
590 20 24

Title II big station is no other then DFW

Bear I realize that the bases are the majority of the problem. Although it was not by very much,AFW voted no. The majority of the yes voters came from 530-KC and 514-Tulsa. Tulsa voted 68% yes and KC voted 73% yes. Chuck mentioned fear facture and I agree Chicken Little didn't have the balls to show up at the 2nd largest local (AFW). He decided to send his flunky lawyer. We had a group of about 10 people from AFW that went to Tulsa to pass out fliers at the Brady Theater in Tulsa when Chicken Little showed up for his fear campaign. The 514 was informed informed of their intention and arrival in advance by one of the people in the group and they were not allowed in. I don't know of any other union/local that would not allow a member in good standings in to another locals meeting.

[Wretched Wrench]

ch53D, on Jun 5 2007, 07:32 PM, said:

That’s not true for BNA. Title IV was separate in the vote.

Title IV

101 yes 15 No

So, then, were all 44 votes on the chart cast by mechanics?

[FWAAA]

Ya know, you guys are all focused on who voted yes and who voted no as if these numbers are gospel. Not sure I get the point. Why?

On the one hand, hundreds of posts here alleging that your union lies to you (and perhaps it does) and hundreds of posts here alleging that AA's management lies to you (and perhaps it does as well).

Yet all of a sudden, everybody puts stock in these vote totals as if they're the pure and unadulterated truth.

How do you know these vote totals weren't simply manufactured by your union and the company to reflect the pre-ordained outcome (that the concessions would be "approved" by a majority of the voters)?

I wouldn't put any faith in Chicago's presidential vote totals (or NYC, for that matter), let alone these votes. Can't figure out why you guys continue to do so.

Oh, well. Carry on.

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

FWAAA, on Jun 5 2007, 06:10 PM, said:

Ya know, you guys are all focused on who voted yes and who voted no as if these numbers are gospel. Not sure I get the point. Why?

On the one hand, hundreds of posts here alleging that your union lies to you (and perhaps it does) and hundreds of posts here alleging that AA's management lies to you (and perhaps it does as well).

Yet all of a sudden, everybody puts stock in these vote totals as if they're the pure and unadulterated truth.

How do you know these vote totals weren't simply manufactured by your union and the company to reflect the pre-ordained outcome (that the concessions would be "approved" by a majority of the voters)?

I wouldn't put any faith in Chicago's presidential vote totals (or NYC, for that matter), let alone these votes. Can't figure out why you guys continue to do so.

Oh, well. Carry on.

FWAAA, I have to give you credit. You hit the nail right on the head this time. This vote was done in haste and fraud could have easily been accomplished using the system that AAA had in place.

[Wretched Wrench]

PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH, on Jun 6 2007, 02:40 AM, said:

fraud could have easily been accomplished using the system that AAA had in place.

I'm shocked! SHOCKED! I have never, ever, heard of a union election being rigged.

IIRC, the company counting the votes was connected to a former as well as a current AA director. Maybe someone here will have a more complete memory.